Subject: »Future NT stars (U21) NO ADS

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He popped at striker at age 25 and received all his training at age 25 except the first one the week before he turned 25

For pace, he randommed at age 25, during striker training and got his 3 normal trainings at age 22

b. He needed 9 consecutive trainings to unearthly at age 21 / 22, but only 6 to magical right before those.

For striker, he popped after 7 consecutive training right before his other training towards unearthly.

Also, both pops to 16 pace AND 15 striker were on training, not random. The last pop on pace however was at random.

„For pace, he randommed at age 25, during striker training and got his 3 normal trainings at age 22”

There is your answer

„9 consecutive trainings to unearthly at age 21 / 22, but only 6 to magical right before those.”

There’s second part of your answer

Received pace training at 3 years younger age + had huge surplus of training after previous pop
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39gt = 6at? So 7gt ~ 1at?
How many FT equals 1AT then? If I remember correctly someone said it was like 20% of one advanced training? That basically means there is not a big difference between GT and FT?

If I remember correctly someone said it was like 20% of one advanced training?

It was at first, but the devs adjusted it to 1/7th, so indeed 7GT = 1AT
1FT = around 1/5th of an AT, so indeed not that big of a difference.

@borkos:

For sure pace still trains the slowest, but then comes striker, only slightly faster.
Def, tech and PM trains faster than striker and the difference here is bigger than the difference between pace and striker.
Only passing trains faster than all other skills and GK now trains ridiculously fast!
I don't count stamina as an equal trainingskill...it always trains equally fast, no matter the age.

Now an example of mine, trained in tech/striker changing weekly, so age is not a factor

17 technique after 9 + 5GT = after 9.5 (pop from tech training, probably overkill)
17 striker after 7 + 22GT = after 10 (also pop from striker training, also probably overkill)

previous tech was from training (so he had extra training left after pop), previous striker training was from random pop, so no extra training

I don't see a "huge difference" there

playmaker is much faster than technique and defender, it is equally fast as passing

the pace/striker difference is very visible and it gets bigger with age

same with other skills... so the older the players get the easier it's to spot differences in speed of training in certain skills
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You might be right...I see the difference because my strikers talents are worse than my mids and defs...
I see them popping to magical tech at 4 weeks, while my striker popped at the same age after 6 weeks on striker
Talent is such a huge factor that the differences on later ages becomes even bigger.

But while I've seen PM train very fast 10 seasons ago, I think they might have brought PM training down to the def level, cause I have one player, max talent and he only popped to brilliant PM after 1GT and 5 consecutive PM training after at age 22, while he only needed 39GT after a random pop to divine pace at age 22, so that's 5 and a half training, spread on exactly 3 seasons. He also needed exactly 5 tech training to magical at age 22

This is not enough info to make any conclusions

you ALWAYS need to take into account the previous pop and ideally the next pop as well



6GT to [5] tech

does it mean his skills will pop every 6 weeks from general? not really, he probably had some extras from previous pop...

I also have a player who got to [8] playmaker after 1 training and 4 GT
He also got to [7] technique after 9 GT - yet earlier needed 2 trainings to reach [5] technique

you can't just look at one pop, you need to analyse it in a bigger picture

Those old design graphs are useless too... It says he needed 5 advanced training to 11 PM but only 2 to 12...

if you already speaking on this subject.. how does it make sense that my keeper went up to Divine Keeper after 4 trainings and 7 generals (= 5 AT) , but it took him 4 trainings and 28 generals for Super Divine?! (= 8 AT)... Shouldn't the transition between Divine and Super Divine be shorter?

yes he popped in his age but still.. almost double time for Divine to Super Divine?!

That's weird...do you have a screen to back that up or something stating he really got 5 advanced training and not formation training for some f.e....

Cause my keeper went to divine GK at age 19 after 5 AT and then to superdivine after 36 GT, which also = approx 5 AT, but only at the age of 22

Again… previous pop (to unearthly) is what matters here (probably had huge bonus after previous pop, possibly was also close to superdivine and didn’t need another adv training)

Also 4 trainings + 28 gt = 2+ age difference

Okay, let's start from the assumption that he had a plus after the pop to Unearthly, and was really close to Super Divine even without more AT . That's still a significant difference isn't it?
The distance between Super Divine and Divine should be smaller than the distance between Divine and Unearthly, no? am i wrong?

for sure bro