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Subject: WORLD CUP 2018 (LİVE İT UP)
I partially agree.
I would point my attention to precision and details.
One of the biggest difference between belgium and brasil yesterday was... that De bruyne shot was perfect and neymar shots was a little too much central.
Those kind of differences (20cm? maybe less..) are what it really make the chance to become a goal..
and this is not casual, this is where you measure the players skills.
I would point my attention to precision and details.
One of the biggest difference between belgium and brasil yesterday was... that De bruyne shot was perfect and neymar shots was a little too much central.
Those kind of differences (20cm? maybe less..) are what it really make the chance to become a goal..
and this is not casual, this is where you measure the players skills.
Don't think you are wrong, but this other things are important for a correct evaluation of the work that was done. For sure when you say I do think Brazil is an overall superior team to Belgium you use such things as ball possession, shoots, passes, etc. Brazil was better, in general, than Belgium, as you can see for the Courtois performance.
What I mean is that you can't evaluate the work for the goals, only, or, every time the team loses, you will reach the often wrong conclusion that everything is wrong and changes are needed.
I would say that this sort of thing are even more important when we talk about national team. When the club I support play a match, I don't care if they play well or not, I do care about the final score (example: first match of the libertadores final, Grêmio didn't play well, but won. That's what matters). When Brazil play, however, I expect a well played game, always. That's why our country is not pissed for the elimination, because, in general, we think the team play well.
Goals are the most important thing in the game, for sure. But the other things than mean the team play well or not are not overrated this days, it's actually important.
What I mean is that you can't evaluate the work for the goals, only, or, every time the team loses, you will reach the often wrong conclusion that everything is wrong and changes are needed.
I would say that this sort of thing are even more important when we talk about national team. When the club I support play a match, I don't care if they play well or not, I do care about the final score (example: first match of the libertadores final, Grêmio didn't play well, but won. That's what matters). When Brazil play, however, I expect a well played game, always. That's why our country is not pissed for the elimination, because, in general, we think the team play well.
Goals are the most important thing in the game, for sure. But the other things than mean the team play well or not are not overrated this days, it's actually important.
in general, we think the team play well.
i disagree.
Brazil attacking was a struggle of individual action ad un-coordinated runs.
Players like coutinho and neymar did some good actions, but they played in a very casual way. I think they was those that should make the team play as one, but it didn't happened.
the big number of action (almost all ended without a shot) is a consequence of the way belgium decided to defend (low and without pressing) imho. The second half, imho, there are a big error of belgium manager, that switched from the good 532 of first half to a nonsense 4312... ha almost risked the qualification against a bunch of individual good players..
i disagree.
Brazil attacking was a struggle of individual action ad un-coordinated runs.
Players like coutinho and neymar did some good actions, but they played in a very casual way. I think they was those that should make the team play as one, but it didn't happened.
the big number of action (almost all ended without a shot) is a consequence of the way belgium decided to defend (low and without pressing) imho. The second half, imho, there are a big error of belgium manager, that switched from the good 532 of first half to a nonsense 4312... ha almost risked the qualification against a bunch of individual good players..
r sure when you say I do think Brazil is an overall superior team to Belgium you use such things as ball possession, shoots, passes, etc
I'm thinking more of the players' quality and their performance over several matches, not yesterday in particular.
What I mean is that you can't evaluate the work for the goals, only, or, every time the team loses, you will reach the often wrong conclusion that everything is wrong and changes are needed.
No, not really, one doesn't follow from the other. Without huge referee mistakes, the team who scores more goals is the fair, deserved winner. It may not be better in general, but that day it was. Jumping from that to "everything is wrong" is flawed logic (one Argentina seems to love :P). Planning and management should think in terms of maximizing the odds of winning, long-term strategies, and evaluate whether there's something that can be done from the management side to improve future chances, or just insist on a promising path. A well-planned, well-managed team can still be outperformed in some dimension one particular day, and that's a fair reason to be out of a knock-out tournament.
I would say that this sort of thing are even more important when we talk about national team. When the club I support play a match, I don't care if they play well or not, I do care about the final score (example: first match of the libertadores final, Grêmio didn't play well, but won. That's what matters).
However, clubs have a much better chance of playing well due to the amount of time training and playing together, the short span between one match and the next, and the amount of matches in a year. For national teams it's much harder.
When Brazil play, however, I expect a well played game, always. That's why our country is not pissed for the elimination, because, in general, we think the team play well.
Then you are not as much a Brazil fan as you are a Gremio fan :-) That is OK, but that puts NT matches closer to shows like theater or movies than to a sport, where you demand certain quality from the performers.
Sport fandom is not about demanding, but about supporting: I'm not a fan of San Lorenzo or Argentina because I demand they play well or pretty, but because I wish them success and want them to win, perhaps even overcoming their lack of skills. In the end, that's the reason I follow them, rather than watching whoever is playing best at a given time. I do want them to play well, though, simply because playing well makes it more likely that they win ;-)
I mean, I could spend my life wishing we had Uruguay's central defenders, but I prefer to celebrate Rojo somehow scoring a volley with his bad foot XD
I'm thinking more of the players' quality and their performance over several matches, not yesterday in particular.
What I mean is that you can't evaluate the work for the goals, only, or, every time the team loses, you will reach the often wrong conclusion that everything is wrong and changes are needed.
No, not really, one doesn't follow from the other. Without huge referee mistakes, the team who scores more goals is the fair, deserved winner. It may not be better in general, but that day it was. Jumping from that to "everything is wrong" is flawed logic (one Argentina seems to love :P). Planning and management should think in terms of maximizing the odds of winning, long-term strategies, and evaluate whether there's something that can be done from the management side to improve future chances, or just insist on a promising path. A well-planned, well-managed team can still be outperformed in some dimension one particular day, and that's a fair reason to be out of a knock-out tournament.
I would say that this sort of thing are even more important when we talk about national team. When the club I support play a match, I don't care if they play well or not, I do care about the final score (example: first match of the libertadores final, Grêmio didn't play well, but won. That's what matters).
However, clubs have a much better chance of playing well due to the amount of time training and playing together, the short span between one match and the next, and the amount of matches in a year. For national teams it's much harder.
When Brazil play, however, I expect a well played game, always. That's why our country is not pissed for the elimination, because, in general, we think the team play well.
Then you are not as much a Brazil fan as you are a Gremio fan :-) That is OK, but that puts NT matches closer to shows like theater or movies than to a sport, where you demand certain quality from the performers.
Sport fandom is not about demanding, but about supporting: I'm not a fan of San Lorenzo or Argentina because I demand they play well or pretty, but because I wish them success and want them to win, perhaps even overcoming their lack of skills. In the end, that's the reason I follow them, rather than watching whoever is playing best at a given time. I do want them to play well, though, simply because playing well makes it more likely that they win ;-)
I mean, I could spend my life wishing we had Uruguay's central defenders, but I prefer to celebrate Rojo somehow scoring a volley with his bad foot XD
In the first half the Belgium use Lukaku in the right edge of the offense, play in the back of Marcelo, and Brazil, without Casemiro, was unable to cover that spot. Second goal was on that side ( with de bruyne and mounier all alone there). In the second half Brazil change the defense sistem, with Fagner standing on the defensive half of the field, and Miranda covering that spot, winning everything against Lukaku.
About the offense, Gabriel Jesus was terrible for all the world cup. Here we rather have Firmino as the starter. Douglas Costa played very well, the right side of the offense was unable to create anything in the first half, but when Costa entered, the game changed.
Brazil didn't take any risk in the second half, dominated the match completely, offensively and defensively.
That's why I said that, in general, Brazil played well. First half was terrible. Second was very good.
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About the offense, Gabriel Jesus was terrible for all the world cup. Here we rather have Firmino as the starter. Douglas Costa played very well, the right side of the offense was unable to create anything in the first half, but when Costa entered, the game changed.
Brazil didn't take any risk in the second half, dominated the match completely, offensively and defensively.
That's why I said that, in general, Brazil played well. First half was terrible. Second was very good.
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but I dont see Brazil as "team", lot of great players but unable to play together and smashing others...
I loved Brazilian team in past, 2002 the best team with high level of team play, nothing like today. Great individualities but it lacks persons as it was with R. Carlos, Cafu, Gilberto Silva, Rivaldo
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I loved Brazilian team in past, 2002 the best team with high level of team play, nothing like today. Great individualities but it lacks persons as it was with R. Carlos, Cafu, Gilberto Silva, Rivaldo
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Then you are not as much a Brazil fan as you are a Gremio fan
You are absolutely right.
As I said, I want Brazil to play a well played game, always, rather than winning. It's more for fun than for emotion.
Jumping from that to "everything is wrong" is flawed logic (one Argentina seems to love :P).
Actually Brazil is the same. That's why I said that. Can say that that is the first elimination of a WC I see with the press not pressuring the exit of the manager haha.
Sport fandom is not about demanding, but about supporting
Disagree. I support the club, doesn't matter what. I demand a well played game from the national team, criticising them if they can't do that.
clubs have a much better chance of playing well due to the amount of time training and playing together, the short span between one match and the next, and the amount of matches in a year. For national teams it's much harder
But the quality of the players on the national team is far far better than what we have in our national clubs ( talking about Brazil, specifically), so, I think that they have this responsibility (like uncle Ben said, With great power comes great responsibility).
You are absolutely right.
As I said, I want Brazil to play a well played game, always, rather than winning. It's more for fun than for emotion.
Jumping from that to "everything is wrong" is flawed logic (one Argentina seems to love :P).
Actually Brazil is the same. That's why I said that. Can say that that is the first elimination of a WC I see with the press not pressuring the exit of the manager haha.
Sport fandom is not about demanding, but about supporting
Disagree. I support the club, doesn't matter what. I demand a well played game from the national team, criticising them if they can't do that.
clubs have a much better chance of playing well due to the amount of time training and playing together, the short span between one match and the next, and the amount of matches in a year. For national teams it's much harder
But the quality of the players on the national team is far far better than what we have in our national clubs ( talking about Brazil, specifically), so, I think that they have this responsibility (like uncle Ben said, With great power comes great responsibility).
The players of 2002 team were far better than the ones we have now.
But as a team, I think Brazil have a good one. Comparing with 2014, for example, now we don't depend on Neymar play well. In 2014 WC, without Neymar, the team was a bunch of guys running purposeless. 2018, with Neymar coming from an injury, not 100%, other guys take responsibility and the team keep playing, winning.
Other thing is that was only the second loss of Tite as Brazil manager, in almost 2 years. It was consistent, in general.
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Other thing is that was only the second loss of Tite as Brazil manager, in almost 2 years. It was consistent, in general.
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imho neymar should learn how to benefit from having marcelo on his side.
first thing: not to stand still. second: leave marcelo some space.
but neymar isn't enough smart in the field to understand that.
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first thing: not to stand still. second: leave marcelo some space.
but neymar isn't enough smart in the field to understand that.
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My favorite team at World Cup is Belgium from start. My country have played against them in last two qualification groups and I like many players, especially players who plays for Chelsea FC.
I can see that you are talking about Brasilian team, so I want to tell what is my opinion. I think that Roberto Firmino MUST be first choice in attack, also Ederson is good passer and technically better than Allison who has one good season in his career. For me, Dani Alves is crucial player for Brasil, because he is player who has big influence to Neymar's behavior and he couldn't play. Tough rivals and some injuries are the reason why Brasil didn't become World Cup winner. It was big chance for them, because their defensive players wouldn't play at next WC, or they wouldn't be at same level as now.
I can also be happy because Croatia become the biggest surprise of the tournament, because they are my neighbors. They have a lot of amazing players, but they have had many problems in qualifications and people didn't expect big result like semifinals.
I can see that you are talking about Brasilian team, so I want to tell what is my opinion. I think that Roberto Firmino MUST be first choice in attack, also Ederson is good passer and technically better than Allison who has one good season in his career. For me, Dani Alves is crucial player for Brasil, because he is player who has big influence to Neymar's behavior and he couldn't play. Tough rivals and some injuries are the reason why Brasil didn't become World Cup winner. It was big chance for them, because their defensive players wouldn't play at next WC, or they wouldn't be at same level as now.
I can also be happy because Croatia become the biggest surprise of the tournament, because they are my neighbors. They have a lot of amazing players, but they have had many problems in qualifications and people didn't expect big result like semifinals.
My 4.99 shirt still works. If Hazard plays the remaining two games similarly he should win the best player award in my opinion
Cristiano will get xd. Marketing ^.^
Joke. I think modric or Kane if he score in semi and help his country
Joke. I think modric or Kane if he score in semi and help his country
Damn, we really can't go without drama. It was really crazy on the streets last night and can't imagine what will it be if we beat England. COME ON!