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Hello,
i'm looking for any information about one probably Danish's double agent, who had influence in occupaied Danmark, and Poland.
Hers name was Nora Larsdatter-Thomsen, she had wide contacts with germans officers and lawyers in occ. Poland, she probably studied law before WWII in Germany, and she was still alive in 1944.
I can't find any information about her in google, somebody have for example any Danish list or history description about Danish's agent/s during WWII, she could be there.
I want to have more information, this is important for me. Thanks.
Greetings from Poland.
i'm looking for any information about one probably Danish's double agent, who had influence in occupaied Danmark, and Poland.
Hers name was Nora Larsdatter-Thomsen, she had wide contacts with germans officers and lawyers in occ. Poland, she probably studied law before WWII in Germany, and she was still alive in 1944.
I can't find any information about her in google, somebody have for example any Danish list or history description about Danish's agent/s during WWII, she could be there.
I want to have more information, this is important for me. Thanks.
Greetings from Poland.
There is a searchable database at the National Museum website:
http://modstand.natmus.dk/Forside.aspx
Unfortately it is only in Danish. I've tried a few different searches with no results. According to the website they have info on 87346 persons with 55554 of them being public and searchable.
Maybe you could contact the museum by e-mail?
Good luck!
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http://modstand.natmus.dk/Forside.aspx
Unfortately it is only in Danish. I've tried a few different searches with no results. According to the website they have info on 87346 persons with 55554 of them being public and searchable.
Maybe you could contact the museum by e-mail?
Good luck!
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Museum know nothing.
I have found something like this
http://www.hannet.dk/Rapporter/aner_familie_slaegt/5297.html
but there is nothing about her.
Probably Nora was only pseudonym. Thanks for to be ready to help.
Greetings
I have found something like this
http://www.hannet.dk/Rapporter/aner_familie_slaegt/5297.html
but there is nothing about her.
Probably Nora was only pseudonym. Thanks for to be ready to help.
Greetings
If the Nora in your link is in fact the person you're looking for, your best shot would probably be to contact the owner of the website (see her email address at the bottom of http://www.hannet.dk/).
Here's another website containing the same Nora: http://rosenkilde.nu/helga-rosenkilde/. Just press "Kontakt" and write a message to the site owner.
If those genealogy aficionados can't provide any facts themselves, maybe they can help you get in contact with someone related to Nora, who can give you the information you're searching for.
Good luck.
Here's another website containing the same Nora: http://rosenkilde.nu/helga-rosenkilde/. Just press "Kontakt" and write a message to the site owner.
If those genealogy aficionados can't provide any facts themselves, maybe they can help you get in contact with someone related to Nora, who can give you the information you're searching for.
Good luck.
Thanks for help.
I wrote e-mails and i am waiting for a massage :-).
I'm writing there when i get an answer.
Greetings :)
I wrote e-mails and i am waiting for a massage :-).
I'm writing there when i get an answer.
Greetings :)
I get answers.
These peoples give me informations about her birth (11.03.1915) and the city of birth- Aarhus.
She was listed in this newspaper:
http://www.statsbiblioteket.dk/nationalbibliotek/digitalisering-kvindehistoriske-kilder/KoS1941.pdf as Nora Larsdatter Thomsen, Aarhus, stud. jur..
But i have not information about her after war, and i have not certitude that this Nora is "my" Nora, but a lot of things provides about this.
is family name Larsdatter-Thomsen popular in Denmark? Is any Larsdatter-Thomsen in Arrhus today (FB? TT?)?
PS. I like very much Denmark's cinema, i watched movies of Dreyers and Christiansen (Heksen, Ordet, Jeanne d'Arcs lidelse og dod , Vampyr) :P
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These peoples give me informations about her birth (11.03.1915) and the city of birth- Aarhus.
She was listed in this newspaper:
http://www.statsbiblioteket.dk/nationalbibliotek/digitalisering-kvindehistoriske-kilder/KoS1941.pdf as Nora Larsdatter Thomsen, Aarhus, stud. jur..
But i have not information about her after war, and i have not certitude that this Nora is "my" Nora, but a lot of things provides about this.
is family name Larsdatter-Thomsen popular in Denmark? Is any Larsdatter-Thomsen in Arrhus today (FB? TT?)?
PS. I like very much Denmark's cinema, i watched movies of Dreyers and Christiansen (Heksen, Ordet, Jeanne d'Arcs lidelse og dod , Vampyr) :P
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is family name Larsdatter-Thomsen popular in Denmark?
No. Well, Thomsen sort of is. The "-sen" ending means "son of" and all of those are very common. Poulsen, Jensen, Sørensen and so on. Thomsen is not the most common one, but all "-sen"s are common.
The other part, Larsdatter is NOT common. It is oldfashioned and we don't use it anymore. It means "daughter of" - daugther of Lars, in this case. In old days (and I think they still do it in Iceland - not sure) you would know her fathers name was actually Lars (and that at the same time, she was the son of Thom :)) - but that's ancient. The "Son of" took over and it is not very common to use the "daughter of" - version. At the same time, they would get married and their children would be named after their father, so the "-datter"-version is really not a family name. It only lasted one generation (you know, unless they weren't married and so on)
I would guess that perhaps the father of this particular girl could actually be named Lars Thomsen. But if Nora had children, they would most likely not have been named Larsdatter, only Thomsen - or really, they would not have any of the names, they would have their fathers last name.
Together, as in the complete "Larsdatter-Thomsen" last name. That is not common, no.
No. Well, Thomsen sort of is. The "-sen" ending means "son of" and all of those are very common. Poulsen, Jensen, Sørensen and so on. Thomsen is not the most common one, but all "-sen"s are common.
The other part, Larsdatter is NOT common. It is oldfashioned and we don't use it anymore. It means "daughter of" - daugther of Lars, in this case. In old days (and I think they still do it in Iceland - not sure) you would know her fathers name was actually Lars (and that at the same time, she was the son of Thom :)) - but that's ancient. The "Son of" took over and it is not very common to use the "daughter of" - version. At the same time, they would get married and their children would be named after their father, so the "-datter"-version is really not a family name. It only lasted one generation (you know, unless they weren't married and so on)
I would guess that perhaps the father of this particular girl could actually be named Lars Thomsen. But if Nora had children, they would most likely not have been named Larsdatter, only Thomsen - or really, they would not have any of the names, they would have their fathers last name.
Together, as in the complete "Larsdatter-Thomsen" last name. That is not common, no.
Hmm, I myself easily found her birth date and that newspaper article as well, but I was hoping the owners of the genealogy websites would be able to provide additional details in order to shed some light on her later years. Did you ask for any living relatives?
The name Larsdatter (let alone Larsdatter Thomsen) is a very uncommon name in Denmark today. Primarily, I guess, because of name change through marriage.
Moving on now, Nora apparently had 2 sisters:
Meta Larsdatter Thomsen, who had 3 children:
Per Schou-Hansen 12/08 1936 Risskov -
Hans Andreas Schou-Hansen 01 1939 Valby -
Bitten Ulla Schou-Hansen 11/05 1941
Inga Larsdatter Thomsen, who had 2 children:
Hanne Line Møller Jensen 13/08 1943 Århus
Lars Kristian Møller Jensen 16/10 1944 Århus
In my point of view, finding the children of Nora's sisters will probably be the best way to go. If you can't get their contact information from the website owners, you've contacted, you could try your luck in this phone directory. Just type in your search request in "hvem/hvad" and click "SØG". It may be a long shot, but at least one of those 5 nephews and nieces should be still alive today, I think.
The name Larsdatter (let alone Larsdatter Thomsen) is a very uncommon name in Denmark today. Primarily, I guess, because of name change through marriage.
Moving on now, Nora apparently had 2 sisters:
Meta Larsdatter Thomsen, who had 3 children:
Per Schou-Hansen 12/08 1936 Risskov -
Hans Andreas Schou-Hansen 01 1939 Valby -
Bitten Ulla Schou-Hansen 11/05 1941
Inga Larsdatter Thomsen, who had 2 children:
Hanne Line Møller Jensen 13/08 1943 Århus
Lars Kristian Møller Jensen 16/10 1944 Århus
In my point of view, finding the children of Nora's sisters will probably be the best way to go. If you can't get their contact information from the website owners, you've contacted, you could try your luck in this phone directory. Just type in your search request in "hvem/hvad" and click "SØG". It may be a long shot, but at least one of those 5 nephews and nieces should be still alive today, I think.
I have found two men (who have the same names) from this list:
http://www.krak.dk/p/hans+andreas+schou-hanssen/54631880?search_word=Andreas+Schou+Hansen
http://www.krak.dk/p/per+schou+hansen/53152668?search_word=per+schou-hansen
but i am a bit embarrassed to call there, because they probably dont speak english, and my english is not too good too :P.
Not stupid idea is send a normal list i think, somebody (son, grandosn) can translate this and answer me.
http://www.krak.dk/p/hans+andreas+schou-hanssen/54631880?search_word=Andreas+Schou+Hansen
http://www.krak.dk/p/per+schou+hansen/53152668?search_word=per+schou-hansen
but i am a bit embarrassed to call there, because they probably dont speak english, and my english is not too good too :P.
Not stupid idea is send a normal list i think, somebody (son, grandosn) can translate this and answer me.
I write a letter in english today (my brother is english philologist and help me). I have request to You, could You translate this into Danish?
Letter can reach into this people in few days (2-4 days), i can send tomorrow (30) and They get this about 2/3.04 :-).
Letter can reach into this people in few days (2-4 days), i can send tomorrow (30) and They get this about 2/3.04 :-).
Writing a letter is not a bad idea I guess.
Maybe this result for Hanne Line Møller Jensen is another possibility?
And yes, just send me the letter in english, and I will translate it into danish. You can send me a Sokker mail or if you prefer, I can give you my email address.
Maybe this result for Hanne Line Møller Jensen is another possibility?
And yes, just send me the letter in english, and I will translate it into danish. You can send me a Sokker mail or if you prefer, I can give you my email address.
Well, that is interesting for sure. How did that person know about the last name Bösche? Maybe that person could provide other useful information?
In the first link, we get confirmation that Nora Larsdatter Bösche is indeed the Nora Larsdatter-Thomsen, we've been talking about, since she was born in 1915 as the daughter of Helga Rosenkilde. However, the text doesn't provide any further useful information, as she's only quoted for talking about her aunt Tora. The book containing this text was published in 2010, but there is no telling when Nora made this statement.
In the second link, we learn that she did indeed survive the war, because she translated Martin Selber's book Die Sklavenhändler in 1978!
So now we have a new name (probably acquired through marriage) to search for - and we know she translated at least one book. Unfortunately, the publishing company "Sommer & Sørensen" doesn't exist anymore, but it's a lead worth pursuing. The only problem is how :s I guess I could borrow a copy of the danish translation at the library and find out if there's any information about Nora in there. I'll look into it.
Ps. You should fix your links - they mess up the page :o) Use this format using google as an example (without the initial space after the bracket):
[ url=https://www.google.dk/]Click here[/url]
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In the first link, we get confirmation that Nora Larsdatter Bösche is indeed the Nora Larsdatter-Thomsen, we've been talking about, since she was born in 1915 as the daughter of Helga Rosenkilde. However, the text doesn't provide any further useful information, as she's only quoted for talking about her aunt Tora. The book containing this text was published in 2010, but there is no telling when Nora made this statement.
In the second link, we learn that she did indeed survive the war, because she translated Martin Selber's book Die Sklavenhändler in 1978!
So now we have a new name (probably acquired through marriage) to search for - and we know she translated at least one book. Unfortunately, the publishing company "Sommer & Sørensen" doesn't exist anymore, but it's a lead worth pursuing. The only problem is how :s I guess I could borrow a copy of the danish translation at the library and find out if there's any information about Nora in there. I'll look into it.
Ps. You should fix your links - they mess up the page :o) Use this format using google as an example (without the initial space after the bracket):
[ url=https://www.google.dk/]Click here[/url]
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http://arastryk.dk/html/1968-69.htm
ctrl + G "Nora Larsdatter"
and let's looking google: arastryk Nora Larsdatter
a lot of information probably about her :)
ctrl + G "Nora Larsdatter"
and let's looking google: arastryk Nora Larsdatter
a lot of information probably about her :)
I found more hits on her "new" name - apparently she wrote some stuff in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-posten in the years 1953-54 as can be seen here.
In this link we find out that she got a job in january 1961 as "county clerk" (I don't know if that translation is correct :p) in Ringkøbing. In another yearbook from the same county, we learn that around 1977-78 she is head of office, but leaves her position as head of the department for education and culture.
In this link we find out that she got a job in january 1961 as "county clerk" (I don't know if that translation is correct :p) in Ringkøbing. In another yearbook from the same county, we learn that around 1977-78 she is head of office, but leaves her position as head of the department for education and culture.
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