Subject: Champions League 2014/15

Is is also amazing what you can post while doing cocaine.



And I have as much evidence as you do.

Yes, but who cares about now? :(

:P
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And I have as much evidence as you do.

I wonder why people react like you did (or like your greek friend) while someone says something plain normal about messi.
Read everywhere you want about Messi's construction at Barca. His youthness, his problems, his hormon cures, the use of steroids etc.

One can say whatever he wants, but fatcs are facts: and he walk at the speed the other player run, the two things are hardly not connected.

BTW: I think doping should be let free. It is useless to fight against it, and all you get is that only the richer can get the "best medicine".

dont be jealous and dont be a nagger , all the top athletes take medicine in every sport !!!

i like gym without medicines or dope ...

dont be jealous and dont be a nagger

I wonder why you choose to discuss about me.

I wonder why you choose to discuss about me.

before start wondering about it , try to wonder why u first wrote about Messi and steroids !!!

if u want to follow championship , dope is part of it ... if u dont , u go home , in every sport !!!

its reality , not smth new ...

do u think there was any Bayern player without dope ??

teams are stores , create money from players , only top players in top form create most money ...
top form comes with medicines-dope ....
dope-medicines are created by other stores that need money etc...
its a chain nobody can break it....
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try to wonder why u first wrote about Messi and steroids !!!

why?
can we discuss only about football without stupid psicologic analysis?

if u want to follow championship , dope is part of it ... if u dont , u go home , in every sport !!!

I agree, but nobody else did YEARS of hormones in youthness.

its reality , not smth new ...

do u think there was any Bayern player without dope ??

no, they dope like everyone else.

teams are stores , create money from players , only top players in top form create most money ...
top form comes with medicines-dope ....

I agree, still the Messi history is different.

dope-medicines are created by other stores that need money etc...
its a chain nobody can break it...

nobody?
LOL, there's nothing human that is everlasting..

I agree, but nobody else did YEARS of hormones in youthness.

Unless they had his disease, why would they?

Here are some facts, since you like the word so much:

Fact 1) This is a fantasy comic character:




Fact 2) This is a real world football player:




can we discuss only about football without stupid psicologic analysis?

Well, for example we were discussing yesterday's match and how a few sparks of Messi's talent decided an otherwise even match. Then someone came out of nowhere discussing "steroids facts", which are less "fact" than he would like them to look like... but most important, they would have had no consequence for the kind of actions we were discussing, which were not very "physical" at all (I doubt "Mess's bionic leg" played a role in lobbing the ball over Neuer...)

HGH can be administered as an anabolic steroid to build muscle for athletes. Children suffering from Growth Hormone Deficiency can end up with serious health problems hence it becomes a necessity. You could have problems with bone density, weak muscles, generally stunted growth, etc. FYI, we all have glands which produce growth hormones naturally. Messi was suffering from deficiency of that as a child. Nobody was looking at him thinking, "We have a specimen here. Let's pump him up with steroids and turn him into some kind of terminator so he can go destroy China. Oh wait, even better - play football!"

When your child is born with any form of deficiency, as a parent you want to get it fixed. Nobody would ever think about this as some type of steroid shot to cheat at the Olympics. Besides, if you're "assuming" that giving him HGH turned him into the "skilled" footballer he is, you're just speculating and looking for circumstantial evidence to put down someone who is a naturally gifted human!


now stop playing the smartass and discuss about football


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Unless they had his disease, why would they?

because it gives you an advantage

growth hormone has amazing characteristics...it's even used in injections to heal the ligaments and muscles faster

it makes the muscles less injury prone and enhances their ability to repair themselves, it also lowers the fatigue of muscles after training/match

of course he is gifted

but so are also other footballers

imagine Arjen Robben. he was extremely talented, reached the top level, but his development was cut short because of regular, long-term injuries.

had he been treated with growth hormone, he might have had less injuries and recovered faster. would it be easier for him then to reach his full potential? yes, it would be.

Yes, and bicycle racers use blood self-transfusions to boost their performance. It doesn't mean that every hemophiliac is bound to be a super-athlete...

Besides, really? Getting those at 13 gives you such an advantage at 27? And it also makes you dribble defenders and lob the ball better? XD

Unless they had his disease, why would they?

I'm glad Messi had them, he needed.
but nobody can hide the correlation ..

Well, for example we were discussing yesterday's match and how a few sparks of Messi's talent decided an otherwise even match. Then someone came out of nowhere discussing "steroids facts", which are less "fact" than he would like them to look like... but most important, they would have had no consequence for the kind of actions we were discussing, which were not very "physical" at all (I doubt "Mess's bionic leg" played a role in lobbing the ball over Neuer...)

Messi showed talent AND an incredible amount of fitness, strenght, equilibrium and speed.
An innatural frequency of steps taking the ball and canghing direction (look at second goal, he do a lot of steps controlling the ball and running, in the same time Boateng are able to do 3 steps..).

The talent is evident.
But is also evident the physical performance.
Isn't it?
Can I discuss it?


For the rest, I get always sad when football fans react at this kind of discussion without a little of common sense and rationality.
You don't have to agree with me, but one thing is answering saying for example "it's tech and not dope" ..
another is attacking my person and getting angry.
It show a little more of yourself than it is supposed to..

HGH can be administered as an anabolic steroid to build muscle for athletes. Children suffering from Growth Hormone Deficiency can end up with serious health problems hence it becomes a necessity. You could have problems with bone density, weak muscles, generally stunted growth, etc. FYI, we all have glands which produce growth hormones naturally. Messi was suffering from deficiency of that as a child. Nobody was looking at him thinking, "We have a specimen here. Let's pump him up with steroids and turn him into some kind of terminator so he can go destroy China. Oh wait, even better - play football!"

When your child is born with any form of deficiency, as a parent you want to get it fixed. Nobody would ever think about this as some type of steroid shot to cheat at the Olympics. Besides, if you're "assuming" that giving him HGH turned him into the "skilled" footballer he is, you're just speculating and looking for circumstantial evidence to put down someone who is a naturally gifted human!


now stop playing the smartass and discuss about football

I never wrote he should not take it.
i'm glad he take it and I'm glad he plays football, I enjoy his skills.

but i feel fre to think his phisical performaces are correlated to this.
Can I?

had he been treated with growth hormone, he might have had less injuries and recovered faster

Really? If he had received hormones he lacked at 13, he would have recovered faster from injuries at 27? He would have scored 1-on-1s in World Cup finals?
And I ´m sure you have solid evidence on this long-lasting, extremely diverse effects of hormones....

Besides, really? Getting those at 13 gives you such an advantage at 27? And it also makes you dribble defenders and lob the ball better? XD

that's quite plain and obvious.
Don't get irrational here.