Subject: [squad] England

This is the provisional squad list for England, obviously the squad list is up for discussion so please contribute to any changes you feel should be made.

Goalkeepers
Joe Hart
Keeping: +3 Pace: +2 Passing: +1

Fraser Forster
Keeping: +1 Pace: 0 Passing: -1

Ben Foster
Keeping: 0 Pace: +1 Passing: +1


Defenders
Gary Cahill
Pace: 0 Technique: +1 Passing: 0 Defender: +2 Playmaker: -2 Scoring: -3

Phil Jones
Pace: +1 Technique: -1 Passing: 0 Defender: -1 Playmaker: -2 Scoring: -3

Chris Smalling
Pace: 0 Technique: +1 Passing: 0 Defender: +2 Playmaker: -3 Scoring: -3

Phil Jagielka
Pace: 0 Technique: 0 Passing: 0 Defender: +1 Playmaker: -1 Scoring: -3

Leighton Baines
Pace: +1 Technique: +2 Passing: +1 Defender: +2 Playmaker: -1 Scoring: -2

Luke Shaw
Pace: +2 Technique: +1 Passing: 0 Defender: +1 Playmaker: 0 Scoring: -3

Glen Johnson
Pace: +1 Technique: +1 Passing: +1 Defender: +1 Playmaker: -1 Scoring: -3


Midfielders
Jack Wilshere
Pace: +2 Technique: 0 Passing: +2 Defender: -3 Playmaker: +3 Scoring: 0

Jordan Henderson
Pace: +1 Technique: 0 Passing: 0 Defender: -2 Playmaker: +1 Scoring: -1

Steven Gerrard
Pace: +2 Technique: +3 Passing: +3 Defender: +2 Playmaker: +3 Scoring: +2

Frank Lampard
Pace: +2 Technique: +3 Passing: +3 Defender: +1 Playmaker: +3 Scoring: +2

James Milner
Pace: 0 Technique: 0 Passing: +1 Defender: -1 Playmaker: +1 Scoring: 0

Adam Lallana
Pace: +2 Technique: +1 Passing: +1 Defender: 0 Playmaker: +2 Scoring: +1

Ross Barkley
Pace: +2 Technique: +2 Passing: +3 Defender: 0 Playmaker: +2 Scoring: +1

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Pace: +3 Technique: +2 Passing: +1 Defender: -1 Playmaker: +2 Scoring: 0


Strikers
Raheem Sterling
Pace: +3 Technique: +1 Passing: 0 Defender: -1 Playmaker: 0 Scoring: +1

Wayne Rooney
Pace: +1 Technique: +2 Passing: +2 Defender: -1 Playmaker: +2 Scoring: +3

Daniel Sturridge
Pace: +3 Technique: +1 Passing: +2 Defender: -3 Playmaker: 0 Scoring: 2

Danny Welbeck
Pace: +1 Technique: -1 Passing: 0 Defender: -3 Playmaker: 0 Scoring: +1

Rickie Lambert
Pace: +1 Technique: +1 Passing: +2 Defender: -2 Playmaker: 0 Scoring: +1
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lol,, Welbeck +2 scoring? he should be -3

Hehe, he does have 8 goals (out of 21 matches) at international, compared to 3 out of 10 for Sturridge.

He also needs 15 1vs1 situations to score a goal :P

Maybe so, but Sokker keepers should balance that out :P

but it makes no sense...

Welbeck +2...and best finishers in the world will have +3?

you can give Welbz a +2/3 in pace and tech, why not...but in striker he should have at most 0...

It isn't about +3 being the best finishers, it is about proportions. If +3 was used for everybody then they would all be superdivine but they are not, it is all dependent on value is well. So the fact that Welbeck has a lower value means he cannot reach the levels that Messi or Ronaldo would reach even if he was +3 across the board. The whole -3/+3 is about strengths and weaknesses, scoring is a strength for Welbeck so he would be probably on a +1/+2, then along with his value, Sokker will calculate the level of skill.

For example with the likes of Gerrard/Lampard who could both probably justify +3 in technique/playmaker since they are very experienced and those are their strengths, yet Transfermarkt values them low so they only reach Brilliant/Magical at the most.
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scoring is a strength for Welbeck

no it is not, that's the whole point

The problem is:

We have assumed that the players are not as specialized as Sokker players therefore the skills should not differ drastically between players.

So if you set Welbeck with anything below +1, he'll end up looking like a defender :P

Sterling should be +3 pace and +1 pm, not +2 in both as now

Okay i have changed that.

+1 sounds ok

I would change is pace to +2 though :P

I agree with that (and have changed).

what is "basic" skill? magic or brilliant or what?

the basic skills depends on value of player...

so we can, again, expect 3x divine Pedro with magical pm& passing and Fabregas with higher defender skill than many central defenders

I see that ;) but there is some basic skill, for what is +3 (for example) add..right? and then from magic skill there is superdivine for that player..am I right?
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