Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

this way it's all so simplified that is no more challenging.

I think you are missing the point. This limitation are the key to get a challenging game. But without challenge you lose the fun.

yes, it should be dependent on matches, player have to play at least one match in week to get max training for example

Why be dependent on matches?
It's a problem to be competitive. You need to change orders, sacrifice cup..

I think that should be like in real life. Trainings independent from matches.
Simply continue the current system training (with limits like now). For example if you train striker you can only train 6 players (like now).
So, you don't change anything or benefit anyone, and you can be competitive in cup.
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We would like to design new International Cup that way - to put best teams together, in most prestigious cup, and then, at lower cup levels (as its similar with country divisions) you will have more and more number of cups.
But there will be the first one, highest one.

We would like to design new International Cup that way - to put best teams together, in most prestigious cup

but according to the number of top leagues around the world there would be more than one winner of the most prestigious international cup, right? Well, there are more than 100 countries. Or would the teams be selected by ranking?

Sorry but I don’t understand well
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i asked that its not really clear how ultimate cl champion will be decided do winners of national cups matter for this?

I assume there will be thousands of international leagues..

Hard to say for now, becouse it's linked to final season proposal.
In todays options we have two different number of international games - for 32 teams and 64.

We would like to set direct ideas about it in next step, it's hard to make it right now - for today most important is to announce that we will make International Cup for everyone (and it's added in season schedules proposed) - it will be designed with levels, same as divisions are.

We need to calculate final proposal based on dedicated final league system - but for sure we will search for solution to give better teams chance to play at higher levels of cup.

Ok we wait then :)

I appreciate the communication, reactions, answering of questions by devs, polls etc., its great to have discussion here finaly.

More info we have, more questions are arising and I would like to know and see all picture of upcoming planing of system of the game as its too complex to change one part without having chain reaction of others. I hope there is possibility for devs to make some scheme diagrams with when/ifs to see what affects what...


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+1 yes this way will keep track but i assume only on approved ideas

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They promised significant changes and are now offering crumbs. Users can be satisfied for a while, but it won't last.

What about with our youg 22 players? How will training them?

Ok great!

Originally I didn't mean to renew my plus until I see more progress, but the way things went forward, especially regarding communication, convinced me to give the new team some sort of apreciation,thus I did renew my plus against my original plans about a week ago.

Hello Raul :)
Juytt and Cranber commented on your statement (I post their their comments again at the end of this post) and I will also comment, but I will also ask you for some action! ;)

First of all, I can follow your statement, especially if I consider about the low figure of participation on the elections, each season.

On the other hand, there are some more facts:
- To train players for U21/NT gives many users the feeling of participating in a group project. For many users, this is the main reason still to continue with sokker.
- Many users, who had problems with tactics or finances got advice about training, about ways to finance their teams and about tactics, from U21/NT-stuff. I dare to say, that their interest and fun with sokker survived thanks to the core of sokker, the U21/NT-stuff.
- Many users, do not vote and neither participate on forums, but they ocasionally read forums, with informative content (tips and tricks), mostly written by U21/NT-stuff. (I was one of them...)


Raul, I hope, that with this information I was able to point at the importance of U21/NT and I ask you to consider also U21/NT-games at the schedule, you are working on. :)


=== posts, I mentioned above, from juytt and Cranber =============

And now my personal ten cents about the 3 options:
I prefer option 1, just for 1 reason: max of 3 official matches per week.

Well, i pretty sure i've answered that at least two times, so let it be - third. ;)

You are right of course, and it wasnt my intention to sugest, that we will not improve NT teams part of the game too.
But for now - we need to start from league system for majority of players, so thats why we don't put NT teams in the schedule yet.

We agree, that national teams should be included, but it will be made in next step, we need to take one part of the job for now.