Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

And last 2cents for me putting shorter season means we do not open possibility for new competition in long future unless we plan to convert the game to super fast manager

unless we plan to convert the game to super fast manager

This made me vomit a little. 12weeks is already super fast, any shorter, or more than 3 games in a week equals a very quick departure from sokker.

And judging from the number of weeks in a season poll, where only 31% of people want less than a 14 week season, I'd say I'm not the only one who would make that departure

I agree with sviktorov when he says how many games per week you have to play depends of length of the season more games in short season means lots games per week....

So I don't understand why is not enough good to put one more official game for a week (and with that there would be 3 or very max 4 matches as in your proposal), why should we above of that shorten the season length?
And if we have to shorten (because there is a need from code/dev side), why couldn't we know that, and why would be not enough a 2 week shorten (14 week long season)?
What you have written in your proposals this would make the whole game much more quicker, which is not exactly what was said before. That's why I don't really get it.

I don't want to be against new things, against changes, but this would be too big change, I think.

I think 3 matches/week would be the best in terms of avoiding too much speeding up the whole game.
(edited)

I would like 12 teams per league, but I understand that 4 oficial matches per week is hard to do...

I have no solution :D

There's a solution for that: no home/away matches, only one turn :)

And What would happen with stadium?
I think one turn is for cup. A league is always home-away match, is the essence.
(edited)

oh no pleassssse Keep home/away ! even if we have to reduce groups to 4 teams a season :D

For now, 16 weeks of season its just 3 seasons per year. From newcomers perspective it's demotivating from the start - you join 5-6 division, so you do the math - 2 years between me and first contry division. 12 weeks is closer to 4,5 seasons per year, better view for begginers. We make some reserach about it, among potential users and old ones, we know that its a problem for them.

We belivie, that it should me more attractive. But we also get your point, that most of you preffer to have a dedicated day for each of competition - it's clear.

So probably, if option 1 or 2 wins (or votes for both of them, becouse they are quite similar), we will adjust them for longer season, to make all league matches in row, just in one prefered day (but still trying to shortern the season, maybe at least for 14 weeks).

i am reading comments all day long and this conclusion looks to me as great compromise:

So probably, if option 1 or 2 wins (or votes for both of them, becouse they are quite similar), we will adjust them for longer season, to make all league matches in row, just in one prefered day (but still trying to shortern the season, maybe at least for 14 weeks).

+1

Raul: you join 5-6 division, so you do the math - 2 years between me and first contry division

There is literally only one nation that requires a 5th division and that is Polska. They don't even require a 6th.

91% of nations in sokker only require 3 divisions, therefore only need 2 promotions to get to the top which is currently about 8months.
61% only require (so 2/3 of sokker nations) only require 2 divisions, that's 1 promotion between the start and the top, and this is before making inactives go bot

The reasoning for a 12week season is flawed, and it shows there is no rush to speed things up 25% to 12 weeks.

If sokker grows then cross that bridge then, but when your logic applies to literally ONE country, then that is poor logic
(edited)

I think perfect compromise Is 14 weeks season with max 3 games per week.

I think this compromise can be ok for everyone.

Thank you for answering.

For newcomers, it's impossible to promote in a higher class after every season. And with less bot teams and less division, this will remain the same or maybe the promoting will be even harder. Or am I wrong?

+1

@achmid and Maserati - we need to think with longer perspective, than current situation. Sure, for now olny Poland have that problem of perspective from 6th division. But we want to get to sokker best days, and it Was much more users in the game. Solutions we need to implement need to be attractive for newcomers today, but also in upcoming years, with more of users in the game.

Agree. The best compromise. And sounds great!!!

+1