Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

I really hoped this time would be different. I hoped this time ideas of managers would be used that are actually suggested on the forums last couple of years (DECADE!), and not ideas that mostly come from developers and then forced upon us.

But it does happen again ......................

Thanks managers for all your time invested in ideas, but we just do what we want.

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One path to shorten the season and have more competition is imho kryminaors suggestgion o play several matches a day from different competitions. Some users migth take offense on that regarding realism, but might offer a way out. For me personally I would just do some lineup for competitions I do niot care for or don't have time and don't watch those matches , neither doing tactics for it. Problem solved for me, but not all managers can put it aside like that.

So many things affects that, it's true - for sure with extra games during the week we will also need to develop some features to make management more easy and less time consuming (dedicated lineups for different competitions, more substitutions, some other maybe).
Also better mobile access should be developed.
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Raul, what is happening?

I have been very active on the forum, I know what ideas are mostly posted all over the forum the last decade. I guess you guys did the same, checking ideas ...

So where did this idea came from??


Please show it to me in forum ideas for example: http://sokker.org/forum/ID_forum/1261

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My vote:
National Cup = Option 2
League system = Option 2

A better looking matches page needs to be made.

A lot of people complain that it would be confusing when league matches are played on days other than Sunday.
Nice, clean looking schedule would help with that.
Different colors for each competition.
Also an option to hide/show arcade matches.

Well, we posted a lot about it last days, so lets be clear one again.:)

First of all, we need a shorten season. It's open to discuss how short, but it was posted from erly beggining of our communication. It's coused by problem of perspective for newcomers, it's also a good way to resolve some other problems, like to many max devine players without making training longer (it even can be a bit faster if we will decide for 12 weeks). From our global perspective, it will affect possitively lot of areas. But as i said, it's open for discussion.

From last days comments we see, that it's very important for most of you to keep dedicated days for specific competitions, so we can agree on it.

If option 1 or 2 will win (or votes summarized for both, becouse they are a bit similar), then probably we will adjust them for that rule, so it will evolve more into 14 weeks proposition.

But for now we decided to give our 3 proposals on the same time frame, to make it a bit simple, not to overwhelm with to many options.
Most important for now is to find answer how many games we should play and what kind of competitions we would like to introduce. Lenght of the season - will follow. We are pretty sure, that it's easy to be read from proposals - first two are about playing 3 games in week, number 3 is about two league games per week.

Mentioned by you poll about lenght of the season was posted day before our Dev Diary (and it was posted becouse Dev Diary was published on linguist forum for translation), and i'm not happy about it. For me it's wrong question at all, and posted before we give any clear context in last Dev Diary.

We should discuss about major assumptions, number of games and ideas of competitions, not about number of weeks, that part is easy for adjust at the end. If we will decide, to move with one league game per week, and two different cups combined with rule to have dedicated game for each of them, it's simply than we need 14 weeks.

Agree, UX work already started, it would be significant improvement at many areas.

Hopefully not too many colors. It isn't a Christman tree.

And on websites too many colors for different options often make websites look cheap.

A good overview can be achieved with a good layout.
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First of all, we need a shorten season.

So you say, but I don't buy that. Out of all the issues I've ever heard people complain about, the length of the season has never been one of them. I haven't played as long as some but after 8.5 years of playing if that were an issue I'm sure I would have heard this mentioned before.

Shortening the season will cause a number of immediate issues if you don't address them correctly.
The main obvious one being training. Players who have gained training over 16 weeks will be at an immediate advantage given you have already said that training times won't increase by 25%.


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Personally, i would like to see how wil 12 weeks season affect on training before i give vote, if current system stay then it woud be very difficult in future to find 3x18 striker for example. Also lenght of injuries, if current system stays than player with 20days injuries wil miss more matches than now...

With 14 weeks wouldn't be a big change in training, only a percentage that could be solved easily.

I think everyone agree with 14 weeks. Personally I prefer 14 weeks in order to not change players, market and trainings considerably, but I don´t mind if it's 12 weeks according to option 2 proposed by Devs, if they get not to change so much the game.

Players who have gained training over 16 weeks will be at an immediate advantage

Unless devs do nothing at all, that will always be the case...

This would be the main problem of 12 weeks, that's why I think the best option would be 14 weeks and in the future it could be reduced to 12 weeks easily, but do it gradually.

You right, it will affect on the training too. And from our global perspecite (and that's how we are design changes) - it's good.
For sure it will be tested on test server, but current training speed is another issue that need to be addressed. There are to many X devine players in sokker, it shouldn't be that way.

With season 25% shorter, we will probably also speed up training, but for less.

Well, maybe we will make it that way.
We will post training idea next Dev Diary, and question about season lenght is still open.

So you say, but I don't buy that. Out of all the issues I've ever heard people complain about, the length of the season has never been one of them
But it is fair to admit that it can be a solution to many issues You've heard people complain about. You/They just weren't aware of that or simply didn't want that.
It don't have to be a solution, but it can be.

I am not happy with shortening season, but I can handle 12 weeks. Although, still prefer more, even more than 16.
But, if length of the season is a problem for potential Polish newcomers (Raul wrote about going from 5-6th league to the top, so it can only be Poland and it applies only to Poland) because they would like to be able to go to the top faster, then shortening season isn't the only way, I suppose. You can always try to flatten league structure so instead of travelling through 5 leagues in 12-week seasons You could be travelling through 2 leagues in 16-week season (two league games + national/international cup weekly).

if current system stay then it woud be very difficult in future to find 3x18 striker for example.
You are aware that it is benefit. I mean, the less fully powerful strikers/defenders/goalkeepers/midfielders the better.
Anyway, it was said that injuries, training etc. will be adapted more or less accordingly.