Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

I really hoped this time would be different. I hoped this time ideas of managers would be used that are actually suggested on the forums last couple of years (DECADE!), and not ideas that mostly come from developers and then forced upon us.

But it does happen again ......................

Thanks managers for all your time invested in ideas, but we just do what we want.

This is EXACTLY how I feel.
So much hope for this change, was so happy I came back to so, was great we had a developer thread which narrows down all the ideas and improvements that sokker needs, over the past decade, and then we just get given what the next polish DEV decides they want.

There have been a number of well thought out community ideas before, that people have spent many hours making, making sure it fits regardless of country size, looking to help big and small nations, looking to help new and old users, and then we get given a schedule to choose that can't even accommodate the proposed ideas.

Shortening the season will not turn the game around for sokker. New users don't come here and say, eww 16weeks,too much, they come here and look at community forums, is there talk, will they have someone to help them, will they develop a bond, is it easy to work out the basics but difficult to master. They also have xbox, switch, play station. This is why online manager games are dying.

The people (not in sokker who like football), want to play FIFA20. Shortening weeks will not make this FIFA20. The people here now want to play sokker. Shortening weeks and making a haphazard schedule will make this not sokker.

10k is your fan base, that is all that is guaranteed. It has been steady for quite a while. Users won't suddenly flock because some entity said sokker cut 4 weeks off their schedule, users will actually come less because unhappy, decade long users will leave, they won't suggest sokker they will tell their old sokker friends that new devs took over and changed the whole thing so don't bother.

The users have had 10-15yrs to work out what sokker needs, and what would actually help the game. Don't insult them by making such big changes that noone asked for, that noone thought was an issue and presenting schedules that look like a toddler got to put it together because they liked mixing up colours

I refer rather than 12 weeks.

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I totally agree with everything you said. Especially with this

Shortening the season will not turn the game around for sokker. New users don't come here and say, eww 16weeks,too much, they come here and look at community forums, is there talk, will they have someone to help them, will they develop a bond, is it easy to work out the basics but difficult to master. They also have xbox, switch, play station. This is why online manager games are dying.

I don't even consider 12 to be a reasonable option.

At the end they must decide. I sincerely don't see so much difference between 14-16 weeks.
I think everything is being exaggerated.

Someone else can say the same to you, 'I don't see a difference between 12 en 14 weeks'

I don't have a break between season with 14 weeks. For me that break is important, so 14 weeks is no option for me.

And can you explain WHY the break is important to you?

because I won't have to think about Sokker during that break and can start with more possitive energy the new season.

Haha no, but I consider that 14 weeks is easily adaptable and don't change so much. Furthermore, we have 2 weeks off.
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Maybe if you didn't worry as much as you always do, it wouldn't be an issue ;-)
I hope you do realise that "that" reason won't be a groundbreaking point for keeping the break week

I don't think we wiil agree on this point ;)

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it isn't about worrying, it is about fun.

Everyone has his/her own reasons to keep it at or change to an x number of weeks. And I have mine :)

So you need a break from fun? :-)

They also have xbox, switch, play station. This is why online manager games are dying.

I agree but you forget one thing! Phone!

An app would be a revolution if they can take to play store for free. There are many applications similars but worse than sokker with more than 1million of downloads...and some with more than 10 million!!
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@Raul:
I don't know if anyone made this proposal, but in my opinion it's a good idea...
Considering that training will be more effective with official matches in the future, I think that it should be a good thing removing play-outs for the 5th to 8th positions: the winners of the group play with each other in a play-off (home and away, if you prefer). So half of the winners goes to the upper level and the last two teams of every group go down directly.
So... more balanced matches, the winners' prize (if it isn't promotion) is additional training and we don't reward losers for their very bad season.
Otherwise... direct promotion for all winners and direct relegation for the last four classified of all the groups, in order to give hope for a speedy climb even for new users.
Is my proposal reasonable? Can devs reflect on this?
Thanks for your answer.
;-)