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better will be system:
10 players can set individual training like wrote devs and for 5-10 players with set pace training, but player with pace cannot this week train individaul...
and if i train 10 mids, can to buy to A team players for pace trainik... like this one..
Dionizy Gwiazda, Age:24
club: Zemborzyn Galacticos, country: Polska
Value: [money=14]undefined[/money], Wage: [money=14]undefined[/money]
divine (17) Form, incredible (13) Tactical discipline
height: 179
adequate (6) stamina, hopeless (1) keeper
magical (15) pace, good (7) defender
superdivine (18) technique, good (7) playmaker
good (7) passing, superdivine (18) striker
10 players can set individual training like wrote devs and for 5-10 players with set pace training, but player with pace cannot this week train individaul...
and if i train 10 mids, can to buy to A team players for pace trainik... like this one..
Dionizy Gwiazda, Age:24
club: Zemborzyn Galacticos, country: Polska
Value: [money=14]undefined[/money], Wage: [money=14]undefined[/money]
divine (17) Form, incredible (13) Tactical discipline
height: 179
adequate (6) stamina, hopeless (1) keeper
magical (15) pace, good (7) defender
superdivine (18) technique, good (7) playmaker
good (7) passing, superdivine (18) striker
Deal with it!
You won't be the only one with this "problem". This is all about reducing the number of topskills. It's also illogical that everyone is as fast as Bale and co. That's why Raul and the DEVS have pragmatically decided that in the future it will be more difficult to bring the players up to top skills, maybe especially in pace. Strikers with 3 divine max. should be an exception in this game.
But yes, all will be affected and all will have slower players in 10 seasons. In the end the same comes out.
You won't be the only one with this "problem". This is all about reducing the number of topskills. It's also illogical that everyone is as fast as Bale and co. That's why Raul and the DEVS have pragmatically decided that in the future it will be more difficult to bring the players up to top skills, maybe especially in pace. Strikers with 3 divine max. should be an exception in this game.
But yes, all will be affected and all will have slower players in 10 seasons. In the end the same comes out.
What's the big difference? Why should pace be different to others?
You may train less, but it will increase the value of pace on players on the TL.
Currently, high pace doesn't actually add that much to value, whereas someone with high other skills and low pace goes for a lot more (all skill totals being even).
It will increase the value of pace, so it isn't actually an issue
You may train less, but it will increase the value of pace on players on the TL.
Currently, high pace doesn't actually add that much to value, whereas someone with high other skills and low pace goes for a lot more (all skill totals being even).
It will increase the value of pace, so it isn't actually an issue
I will be more specific people that based everything around training in this game have plans for players in long term 5-6 season such drastically change the pace training is not ok ..
That's why we announce it now, and giving them time for prepare.
Every change will affect game somehow, any changes could be called unfair, becouse will affect something.
Even putting bot players for TL could be unfair with that approach, it will probably change market prices.
Same as rescue NT prospects - ist that fair, that week before our initiative some national prospects were deleted from game, when week later some other NT coaches could save their players?
Game need to move forward, new rules will affect shape of players and your training tactic, nothing wrong with that, few seasons and market will follow and adjust.
Maybe its good to train pace right now - maybe not, if to many players will decide so ;) You have transparent rules about upcomming changes and few seasons before them.
Every change will affect game somehow, any changes could be called unfair, becouse will affect something.
Even putting bot players for TL could be unfair with that approach, it will probably change market prices.
Same as rescue NT prospects - ist that fair, that week before our initiative some national prospects were deleted from game, when week later some other NT coaches could save their players?
Game need to move forward, new rules will affect shape of players and your training tactic, nothing wrong with that, few seasons and market will follow and adjust.
Maybe its good to train pace right now - maybe not, if to many players will decide so ;) You have transparent rules about upcomming changes and few seasons before them.
Alternatively, pace need more weeks training (because of the 10 training advantage), we can easily reduce the amount of training for pacing in a new system, not a big deal.
Imo, in fact 1) keeping the same progression for all skills will be more intuitive for users than actually (im pretty sure that many users, especially new, don't even know that training pace is slower...), and 2) keeping pace slower will make unskilled pace (young) players less and less valuable and interesting in a the new system ...
Also, multi-divine and ultimate skilled should be the exception but that not specifically related to pace and the actual system : that's just a problem we can solve by reducing globally progression or change the progression system (see. my topic about "talent reform" for example)
Imo, in fact 1) keeping the same progression for all skills will be more intuitive for users than actually (im pretty sure that many users, especially new, don't even know that training pace is slower...), and 2) keeping pace slower will make unskilled pace (young) players less and less valuable and interesting in a the new system ...
Also, multi-divine and ultimate skilled should be the exception but that not specifically related to pace and the actual system : that's just a problem we can solve by reducing globally progression or change the progression system (see. my topic about "talent reform" for example)
Achmid said true, of course i understand it everithing....
But pace trainer save lot of great youth without pace... In new system will lot of youth unsellable becasue who buy players with out pace?????? so many youth will fired....
And right now pace do not have value, in new system will have great value, but still will too many top players and too many bad players and nothing between...
Will too low players in future, increase price, trade will be total broken....
REMEMBER me words...
But pace trainer save lot of great youth without pace... In new system will lot of youth unsellable becasue who buy players with out pace?????? so many youth will fired....
And right now pace do not have value, in new system will have great value, but still will too many top players and too many bad players and nothing between...
Will too low players in future, increase price, trade will be total broken....
REMEMBER me words...
perhaps it could be solved by ensuring a minimum of pace in youth school.
and it is not correct, players with 0-4 pace and great other skills...
0-4 is no pace, it is my gran grand father or 150 kg sumo players and no young players....
young playes must to have min pace skill coming to youth...5-10, or 6-10... no 1-10
in 15-17y have pace similar like in 24-26 y.... no train pace 3 year and to have top pace and start from 0.
every fitnnes coach say you acceleration can train, but pace only little....
Trainink pace need change if can train only 10 players...
could be good, if youth coming with highter pace maybe 8-13 but trainink will be slower like other and if coming like 8 never can have pace 18 or so long time that players will have lower in other skill.
0-4 is no pace, it is my gran grand father or 150 kg sumo players and no young players....
young playes must to have min pace skill coming to youth...5-10, or 6-10... no 1-10
in 15-17y have pace similar like in 24-26 y.... no train pace 3 year and to have top pace and start from 0.
every fitnnes coach say you acceleration can train, but pace only little....
Trainink pace need change if can train only 10 players...
could be good, if youth coming with highter pace maybe 8-13 but trainink will be slower like other and if coming like 8 never can have pace 18 or so long time that players will have lower in other skill.
Guys, it will be still most popular and effective training.
It will be still easiest way to train - you just need one trainer with one unearthly skill and you can move forward.
Just 10 slots instead 22, and thats fair - currently pace training is just to powerfull and we have to many top players with max skill in it.
It will be still easiest way to train - you just need one trainer with one unearthly skill and you can move forward.
Just 10 slots instead 22, and thats fair - currently pace training is just to powerfull and we have to many top players with max skill in it.
pace was not popular never :D. i mean that 7/10 guy say , hate pace training and players without pace...
and we will have still to many top players with max skill but not too many like right now, but top will be striker with 15/15/15 and no 17/17/17....and wait for pop 7 week too is not good, but boring :D..
players without pace with lower coming skill end carrier.. but if can train pace this players buy for 1 e and try him... and after season sell and this players was good for lower team for trainik...
and we will have still to many top players with max skill but not too many like right now, but top will be striker with 15/15/15 and no 17/17/17....and wait for pop 7 week too is not good, but boring :D..
players without pace with lower coming skill end carrier.. but if can train pace this players buy for 1 e and try him... and after season sell and this players was good for lower team for trainik...
they are much more than what we will gain from the change of training from than what we will lose
with the new system we wil improve players for the clubs and for the national teams in a more rational way.
with the new system we wil improve players for the clubs and for the national teams in a more rational way.
Raul, i really appreciate your work and look forward for updait, but i do not like pace training idea and pace training system right now...
I mean that will problem in future and trade will emplty and missig players for lower 2-3 league...
I do not have problem. I am richt, have good training plan for long success and buy what want, but new guys can have problem in future.
I mean that will problem in future and trade will emplty and missig players for lower 2-3 league...
I do not have problem. I am richt, have good training plan for long success and buy what want, but new guys can have problem in future.
but great is, that i will can train player what need and no 9 players for what need one... It is progress and i close eyes if see pace trainink :D
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The only benefice for a slower training is training up to 22 players; in the new system we will loose this benefice. This mean usually (logically) lower pace than other skills, and of course a huge consequence for younger with low pace skills.