Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

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Mikoos posted some interesting charts - maybe he can bring it back again.

We would work with changes as i posted, so for marge we still to wait a bit, but it is decided to be done.

So, our plan for now: supporters expectations & bonuses —> junior school update —> merge.

As it is our third step, we havent prepare all details yet, but i assume it will be based on some „rest of the world” league structure, with nations to small to keep. I hope it will allow us to add also all missing countries in sokker. Nationalities, NT teams will remain the same.

Some things to figure out are - CL qualifications, or number of teams that will be considered as small nation.

Wouldn't it make sense to merge all countries into one league system at this point?

Problems I see with merging some but not all countries:
Let's say cutout would be 12 users and below (can't fill more than one league). That's 40 countries.
Will it be possible for countries near cutout border to became a separate league system again if number of users would rise?
Will countries where user number has fallen under cutout border be merged into that merged league after end of season?
I assume merged league will have only one national cup?

CL qualification should be a relative small issue - number of teams from each country stays the same based on league performance (best 2 teams of each country play CL),

But it doesn't work this way, CC is for TROPHY winners - 1st in highest league + cup winner

If a team wins both trophies there are no "best 2 teams", there's just one team. So it would be weird if you suddenly started adding for example a team that achieved 5th place in 3rd league of rest in the world.

As for "one big sokker league" - it has its pros and cons. The biggest pro would be making the whole game an equal playing field in terms of finances etc.

As for cons - many people [particularly from bigger countries] might not like that. I remember from other games where there were especially at the beginning this kind of "Rest of the world" leagues that people asked all the time to create a separate league for their country.

It's also quite a mystery how people would react to the fact that they were around 1st-2nd league in their country and then suddenly they play at 4th or 5th level because they are actually not good at all.

Just to give some clue about this, top of Poland in ratings. This is top 25:

82.2 FC Chełmek Ekstraklasa Relacja
81.6 Patataj Ekstraklasa Relacja
80.5 Jagiellonia Białystok Liga II.03 Relacja
80.5 Orły Rafała P. Liga II.01 Relacja
79.7 KS Polonia Skierniewice Ekstraklasa Relacja
79.5 WHITE TIGERS CF Ekstraklasa Relacja
79.4 FC Toboł Kostanaj Liga II.02 Relacja
78.3 FC Bomagol Liga III.01 Relacja
77.9 Domik Tuchola Ekstraklasa Relacja
77.7 FC Batalion Lublin Liga II.03 Relacja
76.9 Japanese Futbol Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.6 Sokół Orzech Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.2 arka@gdynia Liga III.06 Relacja
75.9 ASRIM Iskrzynia Ekstraklasa Relacja
75.3 vordamm Liga II.03 Relacja
74.8 WKS Zatorze Liga II.03 Relacja
74.5 KS Wisła Puławy Ekstraklasa Relacja
74.1 Walka Zabrze Liga III.08 Relacja
74.1 Unia Wieruszów Liga III.06 Relacja
73.5 FC Skuszew Liga III.08 Relacja
73.5 Dzialki Lesne Liga III.07 Relacja
73.5 GKS Tychy`71 Liga II.02 Relacja
73.5 Supermegaekstralni Liga III.02 Relacja
73.3 FC Rupiecie Liga II.03 Relacja
73.2 Zabujcze Strzały Liga II.02

Now, the top 50 has only 70+ ratings teams.

Top 50 = top 4 leagues [1st + 3x 2nd]

Now, how many teams outside of Poland would be in the top 25? [ratings 73+]

From countries with at least 100 users:
Italy: 12
Romania: 9
Spain: 6
Brasil: 5
Argentina: 4
France: 4
Belgium: 4
Turkey: 4
Germany: 3
Hellas: 3
Ceska Rep: 2
Hungary: 2
Slovensko: 1
England, Portugal: 0

And there's often a huge gap between 1-4 top teams in those countries and those that are behind them

Look at England with 118 users:

72.1 Thamesmead Town FC Premiership Relacja
68.7 Legia Będzin Premiership Relacja
68.0 Rock Bottom Premiership Relacja
66.4 Timisoara UK Division II.01 Relacja
63.1 Kingsway Crystals Division II.01 Relacja
63.0 Northern Villa Premiership Relacja
62.9 Man United 1995-96 Premiership Relacja
62.8 Polska Walcząca Premiership Relacja
62.3 Elmstead Legends Division II.02 Relacja
62.2 kowal203 Premiership

This is their top 10.

Now top 10 in 103 users Portugal:

71.6 AC Gadelhas Super Liga Relacja
70.9 Real Madrid X Super Liga Relacja
70.6 BENFICA-LIVERPOOL Super Liga Relacja
68.3 G.D.L. Luzense Super Liga Relacja
67.2 Berlengas Squad Super Liga Relacja
66.0 Pat´s Team Liga II.01 Relacja
65.7 MANGOLÉ FC Super Liga Relacja
65.1 G. D. Relemé Super Liga Relacja
64.5 virateam Super Liga Relacja
64.3 G.D.R-Canas Liga II.02

Most of those countries would suddenly end up in very low leagues after such merge.

I know how CL works but it's stupid :p
It's not fair that a country gets punished for having one league and cup winner. It should be always two teams - if cup winner is the same as league winner then league runner up should get the spot.
This is of course another topic but qualification would need to work that way for a merged league (5th place in 3rd league as best Luxemburg team e.g.). Would you prefer only one or two teams from a 40 country merged league as only trophy winners should play?

I think the whole concept of Champions Cup should be re-worked, divided into tiers [like Champions League, Europa, Conference] and include much more teams :)

Wouldn't it make sense to merge all countries into one league system at this point?

I am thinking the same. It would be hard to manage merging/unmerging countries based on their number of users after every season. Like if you merge new country into the merged league, do they start at the bottom? Or based on their marks in some middle level?

Alternative could be and opt-in league where everyone who wants it, could move a team and start from the bottom at any offseason. Probably merge "smaller than 12" countries into it to begin with so it is not empty.

Please reconsider junior's draws and probabilities into your "junior school update' !

But is the possibility of having 2 or more teams in two different countries, with the block for player sales between clubs, in order to fill the empty countries and entertain users, feasible as a proposal?

> I think the whole concept of Champions Cup should be re-worked, divided into tiers [like Champions League, Europa, Conference] and include much more teams :)

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+1!
Very important update, I hope it can be done!

I was thinking also:
We have only 13 weeks in one season, so it could be group stage in one season and playoff stage in second season. If it is possible in NT is much more possible in club games!
Also it could be qualify season to the Group games for all the teams who doesn't qualify for the playoffs.
There are so many options to make this interesting!

Raul i won 6 danish titles, My rival Falling Down 8, but in prodections FC Buur and momitoz Are top 2. They have 2 and 0 titles in the past.