Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

there will no end of season bonus like now [fanclub + sponsors], instead there will be the bonus above for place reached in league

@slavista
easier said than done, in such scenario in league 4, 5, 6 you would get basically nothing - or you would have to give over 2.5m euro for places in 1st league

you need to combine both prepared elements - bonuses and expectations.
Expectations are more important - if your team is strong enough to get promoted supporters will notice and expect it - if you will ignore it and decide to play in lower div - your budget will suffer in terms of low tickets incomes.
Bonuses are additional thing - that is why it may look that it is good to stay in lower div - it is not true, event if you will get nice bonus, you will lose a lot more from tickets with furious fanbase.

We simply cant make such a system as Slavista proposed - when we tried to make it more spread, it coused lot of problems - when you have a country with 4-5 div, it is simply impossible to keep rule, that low places earns the same money as top places in div below. When we used that logic bonuses for top div where like 5x/6x better than lowest league, and that is too much, it would increase the gap between new players and top ones.

In the end - we introduce bonuses as a additional motivator to fight till the end in league (now even fight for 4 or 5th place will make sense), but expectations are much more important to drive users to play for results.

well because is not well though ...
fan money + sponsors should be basic for all divisions and this should be just extra bonus ...

so you want inflation back, so then people will write that there's too much money and the prices are too high? good idea

nope, i do not want inflation i want what was promised a game that tolerates those that play for the cup and for the title ..

so if you don't want inflation then stop asking for more money from the game

im not asking for more money actually if need no bonuses should be paid in lower divisions so teams like yours to not stay there and relay on those money :)

You really think I care about bonuses? LOL

I see the logic of expectations and it makes sense.
Anyway something is missing (probably the value for money of players in the team) if 2 years in a row Polska champion and Champions cup champion fans are expecting this team to be 9th in extraklaasa.
I think it is on the right way, but definitely need some extra adaptation.

Season Expectations:
Championship (1 - 1) Wisła 1906 Kraków
Top half of the table (2 - 8) F.C. Tuchola Rangers
Top half of the table (2 - 8) Seven Nation Army
Top half of the table (2 - 8) KS Królikowice
Top half of the table (2 - 8) ks 1906 Sosnowiec
Top half of the table (2 - 8) Olympique Regal
Top half of the table (2 - 8) Wisła Stoki
Top half of the table (2 - 8) Rembertovia
Avoiding direct relegation (9 - 10) FC Mangol
Avoiding direct relegation (9 - 10) K S Treborikowo
Avoiding direct relegation (11 - 11) Korba
Brave fight for any points (12 - 12) Śliwa

Either I struggle with basic math and 6 >8 or algorithm somehow assumes 16 teams in league

no, it is correct - there are 7 similar strenght teams in league, and all teams have same goal - to be in top 6. some will make it, some will dont.

you will struggle even more with Bundesliga:

Top half of the table (6 - 11) Erratiker Köppern
Top half of the table (6 - 11) the-physicals
Top half of the table (6 - 11) Little Sokker Angels
Top half of the table (6 - 11) AC TurboTurbine
Top half of the table (6 - 11) FC Pest
Top half of the table (6 - 11) Das Urgestein

OK, I understand, but it looks strange

yes, we will make some adjustments, but rather small ones. I think that algoritm is working fine in lower divs, but we can make it better for top leagues.
I think problem is coused by wage od budget vs club stats and overall club strenght - high weigh for budget is correct for low divs --> when your team plays for 50%, you can easly improve it with money - but when you play around 80%, money is not so important any longer.
So i think we need some algoritm that will increase the weight of stats it its level is high.

So numbers 2-8 in my case or 6-11 in case of Mauser stands for?
Does those who end below 6th place but within a range in parenthesis be punished by that?

we display numbers for tests right now, to evaluate mechanism, but in the end you will see only your own expectation, without that expected table range.
Anyway, you pointed different bug - expectations are always set for the middle - so if your range is from 6 place (top table) to 11 (direct relegation) then expectations should be set between (so rather "avoid relegation", instead top half you posted.)