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Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

2023-09-21 13:16:15
Can You specify which one and what NT? These which I have checked were ok and I cant check every NT team looking for that single case where it is not ok.
2023-09-21 14:25:03
That bug has been on forever.... In team view and tactic view red cards never worked for NT
2023-09-21 14:27:50
Nippon u21 - Teruyuki Sakamoto
2023-09-21 14:43:59
Looks like it got fixed for normal NTs, but is still wrong for U21

And btw. bug with cards in NT squad was reported 2 months ago in Bugs / Ideas forum:
https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/1261/ID_topic/3598034/pg/1
2023-09-21 14:50:20
I believe it was reported way earlier, but not in bug/ideas (en)
2023-09-22 12:28:05
That Teriyaki nip guy should be now marked with red card on Nippon u21 squad page properly. Generally, both, u21 and senior NTs should properly display cards on squad page.
2023-09-22 14:50:11
Nice:) now I need to ask Adrian to check if it is also applied to squad selection :)
Unless other NT coach with suspended player can verify that:)
2023-09-22 14:53:45
In squad selection I have this player
In red but he is not banned for NT games
https://sokker.org/player/PID/36775135
2023-09-22 14:55:52
Yellow cards seems fixed on NT page
2023-09-22 15:21:49
I doubt it will be. Different problem, different entities and different people involved.

I might try to force devs to fix it but since it is old layout page, I doubt something will be done.
2023-09-22 17:25:11
How long will they need to finally have all old pages replaced by the new?
It was the first priority after flash code replacement, but it's taking about 3 years now...
2023-09-22 18:51:35
I think they rather wanted replace those most important, most used pages as a priority, but maybe all, hard to guess now

I have no idea how long it will take, but it's not that easy like switch old page X to new page X because some of the content might be removed, or better organized, or might match somewhere else and some old pages theoretically might be removed entirely when their new counterparts are ready, and those counterparts might be on different new page, e.g., player profile, transfer history, stats on one page instead of 3

the problem I see is that it looks like there is one guy responsible for programming backend things, one for programming frontend things and both of them work on sokker in their free time as is Raul because everyone have their jobs (not sure if it is true but looks that way from my perspective)
2023-09-22 19:00:33
the problem I see is that it looks like there is one guy responsible for programming backend things, one for programming frontend things and both of them work on sokker in their free time as is Raul because everyone have their jobs (not sure if it is true but looks that way from my perspective)

Do you know what their opinion is about external help from in game sokker managers? Cause I've read more than often there are people who are more than willingly to help them, and maybe also for free (PLUS)...
We're in a stage that the game is not progressing fast enough to cope with the issues it's having as well as growing with new users, since the game is build in such a way that ew users are scared off in an instant. Even the rules are outdated.
2023-09-22 19:23:48
You have to ask Raul, I have no idea, never asked

I help with some minor things in my free time, but all the programming/bugtracking communication is in Polish which probably limits help from sokker a lot, and Raul would probably require familiarity with various techs they use which limits it even more, an, theoretical financial demands of people who could be interested probably limits it to zero

and, as far as I am concerned, with this way of communication as we can currently observe I wouldn't go that way if I would be interested in some more "intensive" help
the project is communication hell, even if it's obvious that communication is 1000x better than it was in old times but in my opinion it is average at best
there is a lot of things that community, me, struś, programmers asks from time to time and it looks like those questions can be answered or at least pushed forward only with help of one person - Raul, which causes him caring for A LOT of things which ultimately makes some of these things halfway done, ignored etc. And, dont forget that Raul sometimes "disappears" for a month or so - imagine have a question or two which are holding Your work then...

minor things like new rules etc. probably could be done by someone but I doubt it can be done with programming, although, like in every case, You have to ask Raul
I even started writing some sections of new rules in English and Polish some time age (one section of half of it to be precise - the league one) but it is just started, although, I think that me and linguists and maybe whoever wants and have access to proper forum/topic might prepare some kind of draft of new rules to speed things up
2023-09-22 20:44:02
Can't we insert all the dev diaries in chatgpt and ask it to distill it into something that looks like a text with rules?

Together with someone who knows all the rules, you might just end up with something useable
2023-09-22 21:02:47
I know I should ask Raul the question, but like you said...he disappears sometimes, like now, and I know you are one of the more closer people to him in Sokker...
So I figured it would be easier to ask you, knowing that even you are kept in the dark too often.
Well...I'll try to remember the question for when he comes back...