Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

My 27 y player was 18 days injury recovered 20 days. yes hes too old !!!

7 injuries in the last games, thanks developers. I was thinking about renewing plus, but it won't be for now.

No more plus.

Work on Acamedies,we must have more players in the market,
and not waiting days to buy a player!!
A huge problem from the start of soccer,i know many ppl left cuz of this!

Many ppl dont want or cant spend much time in internet or games.
So,they r elswere,like Hattrick,or Trophy manager or i dont know...
Its for ur good -and the game- to find a solution!

I know Hattrick is doing good, but it was a little curious to find a survey there today asking users' opinions on things like:
- do you want a faster paced game?
- two league games a week instead of one?
- more teams than 8 in each league?
- more individualized training?
- manual ticket pricing for stadiums?

There were other things as well, of course, but these certainly caught my eye. Maybe one of the HT devs is playing Sokker? ;o)
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hahahaha maybe, but it is a fact that both games are the same but with different styles and maybe share dynamics and problems. The difference will be how proceed, their planning and the way that implement new features.

I know Hattrick is doing good

In 2009 hattrick had 1 000 000 users (1 million), they are now under 200k [don't know the exact number as they don't show it anymore]

in other words they lost over 800 000 users over the years, I wouldn't call that "doing good" - especially since they are actually doing improvements, adding things etc. instead of just "not dying" like sokker did for a decade

Well, just depends on the criteria applied, I guess. They do show statistics of active users in the game, which is currently at 200k. I don't know if numbers were inflated earlier as was the case with Sokker, but I think 200k is still a pretty solid number nowadays.

I don't spend much time at Hattrick anymore, but devs seem very active and in touch with the userbase, constantly promoting evolution and interaction. They have a wide range of supporter packages, some of which are wildly expensive in my opinion, but they must be doing something right, because judging by things people actually buy this stuff, which cost up to 268 euros annually :o

But hell, they can have their stuff - I'm going down with this ship.

They need to copy 2d viewer.
if you can see you players play in a field, it´s not a Futbol game...

The BEST thing on sokker is his 2D viewer.


There´s still a bug on INJURIES on players in sokker.
I have a player out of injury, and when i enter to the players skills, i can see the red cross and the leyend "he still bla bla bla "...

Just putting here... Maybe someone can fix it.

GO sokker!

The BEST thing on sokker is his 2D viewer.

That´s because i am a nostalgic person, and 2D viewer in sokker, reminds the first PcFutbol...

i remember when i played fm and the players were red circles - my father could not understand what's so much fun about watching circles on the screen lol

Like Sokker, they also have several controversial decisions but in my opinion many of them are organized and the staff or devTeam is much more participatory.

I think the decrease in users is due to the style or dynamics of this type of games, but if they made an effort to adopt a graphics engine it would be another voice.

Personally, I like the tactical section much more about Sokker, but at the level of menus, structure and/or organization I must say that they are better.

I don't think it's a bad idea to browse and take the best from other sites, in the end it would be a kind of free market competition XD.

Is better to focus on the problem,and not ur opinions about those games.
And the problem is big and is one of the reason why sokker having such low
number of users,but it was at least better game...im not sure now!anyway..
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It still is, but the amount of bugs, unfinished pages, issues and lack of transparancy is what makes this game less attractive! And that is the main reason why Sokker isn't growing in users anymore.

The game started losing users years ago, what you mentioned is not the reason for lower number of users joining. The main reason for lower number of users joining is that the game isn't being advertised/promoted since many years.

As for keeping stable amount of new users, young people don't want to play such games anymore. At the same time old people already got bored or don't have time for such games, most just keep their teams but aren't really actively playing, just training or staying in lower leagues without purpose.

Obviously if the game was better/finished it could bump to stable 10k users, maybe 15k with good promo... but years ago it had potential to go easily over 100k. What you are talking about is at most responsible for why OLD users left the game after years of playing, they saw that this game will never improve. New owners brought some hope, I believed that the game will improve and get fun to play so I started playing again after many years of doing nothing. I think that hope is long gone among all users and I think that the owners might've already lost it as well.
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As i say,the problem start when the sokker start not now,now is bigger cuz they done nothing about,
and cuz now are less users.
Those similar games with sokker still having a good transfer market,less users but to buy a player is not a problem.

If all those ppl who keep worthless youngs in their Academy stops,then the transfer market will be empty!!