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Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

2024-01-01 17:47:49
You can also discuss if this is the right thing to do IF this will be implemented and confirmed.

TL is not a lot active anymore because of different trainingsystem. Everyone can train their talents in the best possible way and rather keeps them instead of selling. Talents on TL are more rare and some teams try to find that talent, get a proof of this talent and try to sell again. Question is what is wrong with that? It's part of the game and I don't see why this strategy must be "sanctioned" this way...
TL is one of the only ways you can still see there is some activity here. This way that will be less too. There are a couple of teams who only train youngsters to sell. Maybe they want to "punish" them, but the difference for them is small. A lot of people are blinded by some big money earnt by a team on a fast-sale and big margain sale. They easily forget that teams who work like this also have setbacks, have to sell youngsters with more than 50% loss because of the lack of talent too... They take the risks for the richer teams who don't spend time buying and checking talent.
2024-01-01 18:35:51
IMO there should be a high tax punishment for fast sells, but it should get to 10% after ~1.5 season
2024-01-01 18:41:53
I will not sell any player untill this is solved.
This kind of not announced punishment is unbelievable.
And even when this change will be announced later, this will kill the game.

With this change a lot of people will loose all fun in sokker.
Next to that you need to make profit with trainees otherwise you cant have a topteam.
Because you loose lots of money playing with a topteam.
I thought the idea of sokker was to make the game more competitive???
This way they will kill this.
2024-01-01 18:50:06
You can even discuss about that?
Why does someone has to be punished who makes let's say 2M euro of profit on a player in 4 weeks... Anyone had the chance to see the potential or to bid, to be online... if you have a good idea about talent, did some research and had some extra luck with random pops for example. Or if someone has just luck, did some good advertising, played him three instead of 1 match.... I mean, it's still a manager game,.. I don't see any reason to punish someone for that. I repeat again, for a big sale it's possible there are two failures too with big losses maybe... the manager takes the risk and can win....
It's typical that only the big transfers are seen and from some kind of jealousy there is limitation asked. If someone can make 30 M euro in one season on 10 trainees I take my hat of and say chapeau.... and everybody should IMO.
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2024-01-01 19:08:57
And BTW I still want my +600.000 Euro back, in ANY case.
2024-01-01 19:16:26
You can even discuss about that?

Yes, I think that one of this game's biggest problems is fast-traders who bid every possible good player, wind up prices, get some lucky buys and then make a big amount of money after fast-selling as soon as it is possible.

I have no problem with people making good money after training a player for season or two, that's perfectly normal, but making 10x the base fee after 4 weeks is crazy and it also influences the market negatively, as well as makes it much more profitable to stay in low leagues and not compete, just train 16-17yo players marking crazy profit.
2024-01-01 19:21:01
why 4 weeks is bad but 20-40 is ok?
these are the same exact type of users - who want to only make money in this game instead of playing it
2024-01-01 19:23:41
its just a guess. Nobody knows if this tax is aiming to penalize that, if its a bug, if its something different... there is no point in discussing about what we dont know. We should only be protesting here! :D
2024-01-01 19:24:17
First you have to wait to know if it is a development or a bug. And if it is a regressive tax that punishes daytraders more, that seems fine to me. The market has a lot of inflation and they have to do something.

You can't forget that this is a football manager game, not a market game. right now market inflation makes this game unbalanced

It wouldn’t be about eliminating the market. just to adjust it

Obviously, they should return those 600,000 e, and before this development they should have announced it
2024-01-01 19:27:52
because when you change your 10 trainees every 4-6 weeks then you constantly bid high level/top youths winding up their mean price, when you train a player for 2-3 seasons then you actually put your time in to it, the profit is not ridiculous and you leave the other decent youths for other teams, which should in time stabilise the value of youths (which at the moment is crazy because top youths go for the value that the same youth will have when fully trained)

at the moment people DON'T make money on training per se, they make money on buying 16-17yo players, improving all of their position skills by 1 and making a talent screen in the lowest position skill that the players has

4-6 weeks, sold with a talent screen, buying another one and so on
2024-01-01 19:42:44

because when you change your 10 trainees every 4-6 weeks then you constantly bid high level/top youths winding up their mean price, when you train a player for 2-3 seasons then you actually
4-6 weeks, sold with a talent screen, buying another one and so on


I really think you simplify it now... The way you describe it is like it's a game you can't lose... Ofcourse there will be managers who are very succesful in it, but I'm sure most of them won't buy top-end trainees. They are too expensive and not enough profit can be made. They by players of less than 1 M Euro mostly is MY observation...

I try to gather some finances to build a nice team to go to higher leagues in Belgium... I mostly sell in 15-20 weeks... According to the sale this afternoon and IF some kind of mechanism like this is implemented I'm also a bad guy then? When will I be a good guy? What is the turning point? 22 weeks? Why do I have to be punished? I also had to sell a guy I bought for 1,2 M Euro for only 17.000 Euro in 6 weeks. Now I bought one for 3, 3M who turns out to be a rather bad talent... Will this influence my good-bad ranking too?
2024-01-01 19:50:45
https://sokker.org/transfers_player/ID_human/39087172

Taxed 24,5%....
Can someone stop this please....
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2024-01-01 19:56:42
I never said that current-new-tax idea is good. It's not, I would make it differently. Probably starting with a 50% tax after 4 weeks, but going down much faster to 10%. Possibly with a 5% tax only for own youths to promote opening youth schools by making them more profitable.

All I'm saying is that in my opinion teams that keep on bidding all possible players, then buying cheaply (if you try 50 times you will always get a lucky one, it's not skills, it's staying 24/7 here at the weekend for fresh youths) then training them for 4-6 weeks only to get a nice talent graph and sumskill improved by +1 where it matters - that's one of this games biggest problems that should have been tackled years ago.

If you go on TL and see a good 16-17yo prospect then you always see the same people making the bids. Every time.
2024-01-01 19:59:50
If you go on TL and see a good 16-17yo prospect then you always see the same people making the bids. Every time.

Yeah, but I think the "obvious" good 16 or 17y olds go for way too much money. The teams you describe won't bid them imo... They are bidding the players below that and with gathering info they are trying to reduce the risk for bad talent.... There aren't 30 talented (<3,5) 17y old trainees on TL each week...
2024-01-01 20:01:46
Nah, there are groups

Some people you see bidding the top crop going for 5m euro+

Some people you see bidding for the "good fast profit material" players under the 5m euro :)
2024-01-01 20:07:37
I agree completely with your 19:56 post.