Subject: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

Just sold almost all my players :) what a rip off. It looks like they are trying really hard to get rid of the remaining users.

Could you share prices from your office?

Wacław Misztela 5 059 220 lei.
Feliks Rumcajs 19 501 992 lei.
Leonidas Trikoupis 14 898 640 lei.
Péter Újfalusi 9 951 120 lei
Andrej Laciga 17 151 300 lei.
Rafael Petschovschi 1 399 880 lei.
Bismarck Ávila 684 760 lei
Ngai Cheuk Fung 21 422 010 lei. Wílmar Otero 15 639 100 lei.
Bretan Çoniku 18 252 600 lei.
Costache Marcel 44 460 lei
Mason Murray 10 217 563 lei.

2024-01-02 Wacław Misztela CSA Steaua 1947 Dąbrowa Górnicza 6 486 180 lei
(130 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Feliks Rumcajs CSA Steaua 1947 Motor Czechów 21 668 880 lei
(7 925 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Leonidas Trikoupis CSA Steaua 1947 FC Kings Erotica 17 324 000 lei
(5 676 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Péter Újfalusi CSA Steaua 1947 Paptamási F.C. 11 056 800 lei
(5 454 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Andrej Laciga CSA Steaua 1947 turyści 19 057 000 lei
(7 540 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Rafael Petschovschi CSA Steaua 1947 Tuborg 1 772 000 lei
(203 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Bismarck Ávila CSA Steaua 1947 Sampaio Corrêa FC 901 000 lei
(106 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Ngai Cheuk Fung CSA Steaua 1947 Fc.Poiana 24 623 000 lei
(7 839 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Wílmar Otero CSA Steaua 1947 Fc.Rapid.Best 18 185 000 lei
(3 974 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Bretan Çoniku CSA Steaua 1947 DTH 20 980 000 lei
(5 232 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Costache Marcel CSA Steaua 1947 FK Pavilnys 57 000 lei
(386 000 lei)
2024-01-02 Mason Murray CSA Steaua 1947 avatar club 11 352 848 le

Making changes without thinking and then looking at results is exactly what brought last wave of inflation to the game

People having money is NOT the problem. You can take 90% of money from everyone and after couple of months you will already have the rich 1%. If you know how to make money on trading here you will always make money, it you don't know or don't care you will always be poor.

The problem is that people with money don't want to spend them and play the game.

The problem is that people play the game just to make money or train because other aspects suck.

The problem is the trading is the only viable way of making money - you don't make (as much) money on long-term training, you don't make money on youth school, you don't make money on winning trophies etc. It's a game base only on trading, the faster you trade, the better for your team.

The problem is that people who start playing the game have to become traders otherwise they will never achieve anything, especially in big countries.


Total agree with this. Honestly, do they won't read any of these comments?

Total agree with this. Honestly, do they won't read any of these comments?
they probably dont, but they have to be fully aware of this, almost everyone is

although, that part
Making changes without thinking and then looking at results is exactly what brought last wave of inflation to the game
is probably not exactly true, because they were also fully aware of the upcoming inflation, but just decided to deal with it later with different changes which were already planned or just gave it up as a bad job

Based on the data posted in this forum plus some extra sales data provided by some friends I've calculated the taxes applied in each case and made some projections. This is what I have so far:

6 weeks [1] or less ----> 25%
7 to 8 weeks ----------> 24%
9 to 10 weeks --------> 23%
11 to 12 weeks -------> 22%
13 to 14 weeks -------> 21%
15 to 16 weeks -------> 20%
17 to 18 weeks -------> 19%
19 to 20 weeks -------> 18%
21 to 22 weeks -------> 17%
23 to 24 weeks -------> 16%
25 to 26 weeks -------> 15%
27 to 28 weeks ------> 14%
29 to 30 weeks ------> 13%
31 to 32 weeks ------> 12%
33 to 34 weeks ------> 11%
35 to 40 [2] weeks ---> 10%

[1] weeks are calculated as the number of days between purchase and sell dates divided by 7 and rounded up (e.g. 5.28 = 6 weeks)

[2] I have data up to 40 weeks with taxes being 10%, but I can't say for sure if 35 is the floor (although the projections suggest that) or if 40 is the ceiling (I don't have any useful information after 40 weeks until 88 weeks where the tax is 8%).

I don't have enough data to project in which cases taxes of 8% and 9% are applied.

Juniors coming out of your youth school pay 8% regardless of how long they were in your club.

There doesn't seem to be any extra tax on players under 24. I assume their home clubs still get their 5% as before.

Can anyone who sold players in the past couple of days confirm if my numbers are accurate?
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wow, that really sucks. 3 seasons to get it down to 10%. I feel like it should scale that way after two seasons. I'd like to see an implementation that is more front loaded in the first 10-12 weeks.
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You rock Yogurt

If communication and participation of DEVs is 0. Why not give a notification in every forum about this by linguists or MOD. Eventually an sk-mail to all. Then it's kind of official. After that note, people who have put a player on TL between 1/1 and that note can contact a certain admin to ask the payback of the extra fee above 10%. ADMINs can do it manually. Seems fair to me?
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40+ will be probably 8%
2 days ago I posted similar numbers on Polish forum, though unconfirmed then

Wow! +40 is almost a real year of life, it should be tax free at least :)

I assume their home clubs still get their 5% as before.

Does that still apply? I don't receive the 5 when selling youth players anymore.

Also, I sold a youngster a few days ago and had an 8% fee.

Youngsters are 10% now

At the moment, youngsters are down to 8%. Two days ago I sold one of mine for 100k:

You sold the following player: Thije Broerse and received 92 000 €. 2024-01-01 22:14:07
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Tax is 8% when You are selling your own junior and when someone else selling him You still get 5%, but You won't get that 5% back for selling your own fresh junior - tax is always 8% then