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So...how much money is needed to develop this game as it should be ?
yes, to much money is a real problem too.
We will wait one more season to see how supporters expectations affect the amount of money in the game, and based on this data we will think about some other adjustments.
Dear Raul, has new supporters expectations mode already started or will it be tested from next season? Because their mood still seems to be particularly fluctuating, and during this season I've had my doubts.
We will wait one more season to see how supporters expectations affect the amount of money in the game, and based on this data we will think about some other adjustments.
Dear Raul, has new supporters expectations mode already started or will it be tested from next season? Because their mood still seems to be particularly fluctuating, and during this season I've had my doubts.
Youth school is big problem... Now 10-14 youth started to go down, and after 7-8 weeks under then the started level. I have magical coaches after my only one maybe brilliant young player come up I will close the youth school. If something will be better about the youth system maybe I will open again, but this is worthless.
I'm definitely a supporter of merged international leagues - the more the merrier as I imagine the same issue exists for all countries and it's just more obvious in smaller countries.
I'd wager a steeper hierarchy of leagues (less promotion and relegation) would also be required.
If I wasn't a rusted on sports management game player I would definitely have left Sokker as the lack of recent growth in the game has left the league structure split between fully-established teams and new teams with not a lot in between.
It means you go from bot leagues to elite leagues in one step. The negative sponsor impact of bot teams means you can't even slowly build a team towards elite level as you can't afford to keep the players in the bot league.
There are two ways to fix it: either through changing Bot teams in terms of strength and sponsorship attraction so that bot teams globally at division levels 1, 2, 3, 4 are the same but differ in standard for each division - you might play bots for longer, but they will get progressively harder Bot teams with appropriate sponsor attraction so you can actually develop a team over time.
Second is to merge leagues so there is a greater spread of human managed teams. As I say though - at the moment I think there is a gap in team-ages so it might not be as effective as we might think so the pyramid might need to get steeper to get there.
I think this is a large factor of why new players leave the game so should be a higher priority than it seems to be.
I'd wager a steeper hierarchy of leagues (less promotion and relegation) would also be required.
If I wasn't a rusted on sports management game player I would definitely have left Sokker as the lack of recent growth in the game has left the league structure split between fully-established teams and new teams with not a lot in between.
It means you go from bot leagues to elite leagues in one step. The negative sponsor impact of bot teams means you can't even slowly build a team towards elite level as you can't afford to keep the players in the bot league.
There are two ways to fix it: either through changing Bot teams in terms of strength and sponsorship attraction so that bot teams globally at division levels 1, 2, 3, 4 are the same but differ in standard for each division - you might play bots for longer, but they will get progressively harder Bot teams with appropriate sponsor attraction so you can actually develop a team over time.
Second is to merge leagues so there is a greater spread of human managed teams. As I say though - at the moment I think there is a gap in team-ages so it might not be as effective as we might think so the pyramid might need to get steeper to get there.
I think this is a large factor of why new players leave the game so should be a higher priority than it seems to be.
Meanwhile, other folks get multi-million dollar youth pulls. Random is fun, isn't it. Not to mention when you get that talented kid late in the season - and he's 18 already and will be late 20 by the time he gets out.
I've only had my school open for a season, and I'm already considering closing it for good.
I've only had my school open for a season, and I'm already considering closing it for good.
While waiting for the Press Room proposals thread to be opened, I propose that before matches a notification about the history (previous matches) between the two teams that will face each other should go out.
PS: In addition to writing "WOW!" for this fantastic proposal, who knows please give me an answer to the question about fan expectations mode, thanks.
:-)
PS: In addition to writing "WOW!" for this fantastic proposal, who knows please give me an answer to the question about fan expectations mode, thanks.
:-)
Supporters mood will be influenced since the start of next season, based on current season results.
Im sure lots of people will be angry with it btw. I just wonder how badly messed up it will turn out to be :-)
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Im sure lots of people will be angry with it btw. I just wonder how badly messed up it will turn out to be :-)
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It means, I should have finished one position lower... :D
I think every one of your points is exactly right, and unfortunately I think a lot of people from this side of the world feel this.
To add on, this idea that NT managers should buy plus so they can access skills of players is a good way to make sure the NT coaches are not necessarily the most committed players in the game.
Already the quality of NT managers in the game is appalling. I am non plus but I run the Asian Cup. Just go look at all those Asian countries forums to see who actually posts anything in them. I'm not just talking about something with substance, and some history (as I have done in my forum posts there), but ANYTHING!
In many of these, my post about the Asian Cup is the most recent, or one of the most recent posts in their entire forum! They have NT coaches, some who are plus, and literally never say a word outside of election time. So let's see who does more for trying to keep the country active and interested in the game.
The first season I ran the Asian cup, I wrote in the rules area for NT coaches to try to get the small nations involved. Not just in the Asian cup, but just to say something. 95% countries. They didn't post anything.
The next season I individually sent skmails to the coaches reminding them that it's a privilege to run an NT, and they the countries we have been elected by deserve someone to keep the forum fun, active and know what's happening. Again minimal uptake from the NT coaches, whether they have plus or not.
So last season I went to every Asian Country that signed up and put a post, with stats from the history of the Asian cup - stats from the first Asian Cup ever run. Not only was my one post more effort than their own coaches gave, but the history behind it was more effort than their forum had seen in years.
...and I'm not plus.
Dedicated users don't always buy plus for many reasons, but dedicated users to retain old teams and keep new teams playing the game. The more teams that stick around, the bigger the game gets and the more people end up buying plus.
Dedicated user may not always directly add to the games finances but they always add to the games finances indirectly by creating more fun for those around them
To add on, this idea that NT managers should buy plus so they can access skills of players is a good way to make sure the NT coaches are not necessarily the most committed players in the game.
Already the quality of NT managers in the game is appalling. I am non plus but I run the Asian Cup. Just go look at all those Asian countries forums to see who actually posts anything in them. I'm not just talking about something with substance, and some history (as I have done in my forum posts there), but ANYTHING!
In many of these, my post about the Asian Cup is the most recent, or one of the most recent posts in their entire forum! They have NT coaches, some who are plus, and literally never say a word outside of election time. So let's see who does more for trying to keep the country active and interested in the game.
The first season I ran the Asian cup, I wrote in the rules area for NT coaches to try to get the small nations involved. Not just in the Asian cup, but just to say something. 95% countries. They didn't post anything.
The next season I individually sent skmails to the coaches reminding them that it's a privilege to run an NT, and they the countries we have been elected by deserve someone to keep the forum fun, active and know what's happening. Again minimal uptake from the NT coaches, whether they have plus or not.
So last season I went to every Asian Country that signed up and put a post, with stats from the history of the Asian cup - stats from the first Asian Cup ever run. Not only was my one post more effort than their own coaches gave, but the history behind it was more effort than their forum had seen in years.
...and I'm not plus.
Dedicated users don't always buy plus for many reasons, but dedicated users to retain old teams and keep new teams playing the game. The more teams that stick around, the bigger the game gets and the more people end up buying plus.
Dedicated user may not always directly add to the games finances but they always add to the games finances indirectly by creating more fun for those around them
Borkos i right, new supporters mood will influence since the start of next season, so we will see how it works for game economy.
About your idea of recent games played with particular club - why not :)
About your idea of recent games played with particular club - why not :)
Thank you for the answer.
It seemed strange to me that the experimentation on the new supporters mood was already in place, because I didn't notice any changes...
:D
It seemed strange to me that the experimentation on the new supporters mood was already in place, because I didn't notice any changes...
:D
Dont forget then, to put the tab for expectations right now is missing.
I agree that an active NT community is a great thing for the game and I don't think it should be paywalled, but I only think that because I fear it would disappear if that were to occur. It is an obvious Plus option and I doubt we're going to change their minds without coming up with suggestions that will make Plus more attractive and popular.
The playing community for this genre of game is getting smaller and smaller and games are folding left right and centre. The amount of games that are still getting actively developed is really very small and the ones that are I imagine are losing money - just labours of love by one-man-bands.
I buy Plus and the equivalents for the 10-or-so other sports management games I play out of principle rather than for the specific benefits so I'm not the best to suggest what would make a difference for non-plus users and their consideration of buying Plus, but I'm sure the developers would like to hear from non-plus players as to what would move the dial for Plus ownership for them.
The playing community for this genre of game is getting smaller and smaller and games are folding left right and centre. The amount of games that are still getting actively developed is really very small and the ones that are I imagine are losing money - just labours of love by one-man-bands.
I buy Plus and the equivalents for the 10-or-so other sports management games I play out of principle rather than for the specific benefits so I'm not the best to suggest what would make a difference for non-plus users and their consideration of buying Plus, but I'm sure the developers would like to hear from non-plus players as to what would move the dial for Plus ownership for them.
This is effectively why I have paid for PLUS my entire time here. With as much time as I spend here, it's absolutely ridiculous to play this on the cheap. PLUS price is pretty low to begin with. Anyone who plays regularly, I really can't reconcile why they don't pay.
Sure, the ME has long term issues, but people are still playing it. Being a PLUS member, combined with several great third party tools, allows you to be more successful if you put the effort in.
Sure, the ME has long term issues, but people are still playing it. Being a PLUS member, combined with several great third party tools, allows you to be more successful if you put the effort in.
I would consider paying for plus if the issues that have been stated with low user bases and transfer market accessibility were addressed (it’s been 19 years and still nothing has happened in that space, in fact it’s actually worse at the moment given the current league structures). I would also consider paying for plus if the devs were actually active, clearly cared about the community and were responsive to what their users want. At the moment we hear very little and trying to point out a weakness or a problem is mostly just ignored and they go ahead with a change THEY wanted to make anyway. There is no negotiation even if they pretend there is once they’ve decided to do something. Most of the changes made are in their own perspective.
That’s fine they can do so but I can also choose not to support that.
If NTs were something most didn’t care about then why is player skills being locked to behind a payment (when you’re still not guaranteed to get skills if someone disables the ability to see skills)? Why would anyone pay for that scenario? I mean you could flip that and say you can’t hide your player skills unless you had plus.
That’s fine they can do so but I can also choose not to support that.
If NTs were something most didn’t care about then why is player skills being locked to behind a payment (when you’re still not guaranteed to get skills if someone disables the ability to see skills)? Why would anyone pay for that scenario? I mean you could flip that and say you can’t hide your player skills unless you had plus.