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Subject: "Sell" button
I can see one problem here - let's say crazy person who is angry on sokker becomes a NT coach - he can sell all the players from all bot teams in his country?
Also you can say noone will buy suck players, so he also buys them for 1 EUR each and then all bot teams are rigged. How will you avoid this?
Also you can say noone will buy suck players, so he also buys them for 1 EUR each and then all bot teams are rigged. How will you avoid this?
There already is build in blockade for such behavior. You can't sell to many players at once from your club.
The idea is just give permission to already existing functionality.
On the other hand - even if such bot team will have less than 10 players at the end - is it something bad? I mean 0:5 results without playing?
Making such teams weaker gives more chances to humanbeeings. Its nothing funny for new users to play against strong bot team and lose. It is better to win 5:0 without playing and get bit closer to promotion.
Winning 5:0 without playing = free training without injury risk.
The idea is just give permission to already existing functionality.
On the other hand - even if such bot team will have less than 10 players at the end - is it something bad? I mean 0:5 results without playing?
Making such teams weaker gives more chances to humanbeeings. Its nothing funny for new users to play against strong bot team and lose. It is better to win 5:0 without playing and get bit closer to promotion.
Winning 5:0 without playing = free training without injury risk.
There already is build in blockade for such behavior. You can't sell to many players at once from your club.
I'm pretty sure it would allow to sell all the players.
On the other hand - even if such bot team will have less than 10 players at the end - is it something bad? I mean 0:5 results without playing?
Imagine if someone creates a team in smaller country where bots have no players and for months all his results are 5:0 walkovers... that's not a great football manager experience.
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I'm pretty sure it would allow to sell all the players.
On the other hand - even if such bot team will have less than 10 players at the end - is it something bad? I mean 0:5 results without playing?
Imagine if someone creates a team in smaller country where bots have no players and for months all his results are 5:0 walkovers... that's not a great football manager experience.
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I'm pretty sure it would allow to sell all the players.
Why would it? If I can't list more than X players than noone would using same functionality. It would take some time to destroy team that way.
Second thing is - beeing for example Portugal coach I could list only players with Portugal nationality. So the problem affects only low division bots with same-nationality players.
There are "thoughts" about creating one international league for smallest countries. That would solve some of the problems aswell.
But without waiting to such change there is another simple solution. Use players value as price from which auction begins.
NT coach could not set the price, it would always be current players value. It would prevent from selling out weakest players, especially from weakest teams.
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Why would it? If I can't list more than X players than noone would using same functionality. It would take some time to destroy team that way.
Second thing is - beeing for example Portugal coach I could list only players with Portugal nationality. So the problem affects only low division bots with same-nationality players.
There are "thoughts" about creating one international league for smallest countries. That would solve some of the problems aswell.
But without waiting to such change there is another simple solution. Use players value as price from which auction begins.
NT coach could not set the price, it would always be current players value. It would prevent from selling out weakest players, especially from weakest teams.
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Why would it? If I can't list more than X players than noone would using same functionality. It would take some time to destroy team that way.
But you can, there are teams selling all or almost all of their players at once. I think limits only apply if you already sold some players, those on transfer market don't count, so you can sell all in bulk.
So the problem affects only low division bots with same-nationality players.
And it could be a real problem
There are "thoughts" about creating one international league for smallest countries. That would solve some of the problems aswell.
Let's be real, international league is miles away
But without waiting to such change there is another simple solution. Use players value as price from which auction begins.
Good idea, it would fix this problem (and create one more problem, because some NT players like 30yo goalkeepers could be worth less than their "value", maybe something like starting price being min(250k, value) would be better)
But you can, there are teams selling all or almost all of their players at once. I think limits only apply if you already sold some players, those on transfer market don't count, so you can sell all in bulk.
So the problem affects only low division bots with same-nationality players.
And it could be a real problem
There are "thoughts" about creating one international league for smallest countries. That would solve some of the problems aswell.
Let's be real, international league is miles away
But without waiting to such change there is another simple solution. Use players value as price from which auction begins.
Good idea, it would fix this problem (and create one more problem, because some NT players like 30yo goalkeepers could be worth less than their "value", maybe something like starting price being min(250k, value) would be better)
Good idea, it would fix this problem (and create one more problem, because some NT players like 30yo goalkeepers could be worth less than their "value", maybe something like starting price being min(250k, value) would be better)
This way or another I think it is good solution. It is mostly about saving young prospects.
Such players like old GKs who are worth less than their "value" are probably not worth to be saved in this times when GKs are easy to be "produced".
This way or another I think it is good solution. It is mostly about saving young prospects.
Such players like old GKs who are worth less than their "value" are probably not worth to be saved in this times when GKs are easy to be "produced".
Also I don't like the situation that NT coach can do this: he can do it at 4 am and buy himself or a friend of his this NT prospect and that's how he could get value from this.
Also I see the discussion here and I agree one more time: there really are crazy managers who could use this feature to somehow ruin the game and devs would have more questions than answers.
I think the solution should be like that you could make a "one click report" and there is an official list and it is approved/denied every week.
If sokker devs don't want to get too much involved, maybe some moderators could be applied who are trustworthy old players and they can approve the player to go to transfer list.
Also I see the discussion here and I agree one more time: there really are crazy managers who could use this feature to somehow ruin the game and devs would have more questions than answers.
I think the solution should be like that you could make a "one click report" and there is an official list and it is approved/denied every week.
If sokker devs don't want to get too much involved, maybe some moderators could be applied who are trustworthy old players and they can approve the player to go to transfer list.
But surely, for bot team players...it's still better than leaving them within the bot team...
Big +1 for the idea...
The negative points don't outweigh the advantages in the slightest!
Big +1 for the idea...
The negative points don't outweigh the advantages in the slightest!
Most of the problems are gone after setting minimal price - for example players value as start auction price.
is a very good idea, so we would save players who are getting lost in Bot teams.
@fornado
Also I don't like the situation that NT coach can do this: he can do it at 4 am and buy himself or a friend of his this NT prospect and that's how he could get value from this.
Every player since it goes on sale has 48 hours for sale, which means that it is visible at any time, if you like the player and it is early in your country, you can set an alarm to wake you up and you can bid to buy it
I would agree that any coach of national teams can sell players of the directed nationality, even from minimum price
@fornado
Also I don't like the situation that NT coach can do this: he can do it at 4 am and buy himself or a friend of his this NT prospect and that's how he could get value from this.
Every player since it goes on sale has 48 hours for sale, which means that it is visible at any time, if you like the player and it is early in your country, you can set an alarm to wake you up and you can bid to buy it
I would agree that any coach of national teams can sell players of the directed nationality, even from minimum price
+1
With an automatical sokker's information (message, in pressroom for example) for all coaches from this player's nation (about his 1€ selling)
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With an automatical sokker's information (message, in pressroom for example) for all coaches from this player's nation (about his 1€ selling)
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I would agree "value" as minimal price, this shall partially solve the problem.
Also i like this new pressroom very much and this is good idea to add a new that coach did this and everyone can buy this player.
Also i like this new pressroom very much and this is good idea to add a new that coach did this and everyone can buy this player.