Subject: Dev Update 69 on coaches

60 is far too low guys. I was expecting 70. At 70 they are 70% likely to retire, yet you guys turn around and make the low end age range higher?

Sorry, 79 not 69.
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Why 60 is low?

It's not that unusual for coaches to work until 70, even for new teams.

I feel the implementation of this is fair, but the numbers should be 70 and 80 for 70% retirement.
Then you guys are going to increase the minimum age on market coaches on top of this.

It's another incredibly newer user unfriendly feature. Rich teams around forever will have no difficulty paying for coaches. It's not nearly the money sink players are. It's just going to hurt newer teams attempting to try and catch up with 5+ year old clubs.

I like it, but this is going to upset a lot of people.

• The decision to retire will also be influenced by the measure of success achieved.

• If your coach is successful - as measured by meeting season expectations - he will be less likely to leave.

• If, on the other hand, the season is judged a complete failure - the coach may be discouraged from taking on further challenges and more likely to retire.

edit: never mind, this has been answered for me by someone else.

I was not aware that every single coach on transfer market came from an automated coach search. Although this makes sense, I was not 100% certain. Just because a coach on market was fired, doesn't mean he wasn't just placed on market by the game to begin with (again, I've been here a year and a half - I'm still learning things :) )
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form will return coach of age 40-59

maybe this is a good solution but it should not be applied in this season.

right now 3/4 of my trainers are over 70 years old. it took me ages to find them.

with this change the demand for coaches will increase - if it was super hard to find a coach on TL for decent amount, many teams wont be able to afford finding same coaches in 3 weeks.

and form is a gamble - replacing 3 magical coaches using form is also not a small expense.

As for retirement. Just after the age of 60 the chance of retirement is really low, I would say that by the age of 65 a coach will still rarely retire.
As for the age of recruitment starting at 40.
If you find a new coach who is 40-45 years old, he still has about 20 seasons of career ahead of him. It's really nothing to have to find a new coach once every 4-5 real years.

Retiring at 70 and leaving recruiting at 33 would result in cases where you have a coach for 8-9 real years.

The other thing about recruiting from 40 is that sometime in the future it would be great to be able to retire a player and make them a coach younger than 40.
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but i guess if the change happens next season, the coaches will still stay in the team until end of next season so that does give some time to replace them.

Fulfilling seasonal expectations does matter, but it is a big one. Even achieving total failure, no coach will have a 100% chance of announcing his retirement.

Nice to see the implementation of the coach's retirement, so we have to regularly replace members of the staff.
But somehow nonsensical: traineers could retire form the ago of 60 with a maximum age of new traineers set at 59? Will be possible for a coach to work just 1 season? WOW

but i guess if the change happens next season, the coaches will still stay in the team until end of next season so that does give some time to replace them.

Yes, you have 16 weeks to replace them starting from now.

As an example.

When coach has 62 yo, the chance of retire for expectations fullfilment is:
- great success: 1%
- above expectations: 2%
- goal achieved: 3%
- below expectations: 4%
- total failure: 5%

...and newer teams are going to be able to afford this, how?

You've got guys like Tad, Loopy and Blue (excellent quality managers who are assets to my country's already limited active player base) who are being punished again for restarting here. I am just lucky I got here last year and had some time/ability to handle this okay.

I guess the real answer is just to use coach search for some of these guys. Once you have 2 really good managers that can cover all of your potential training needs.
I guess that's what I will end up doing if the market goes nuts now with all of these older managers swimming in tens of millions of euros.

The big fish eat yet again.

At the same time, I think there should be an age limit for football players.

lol thanks

16 weeks is better than nothing but replacing 3 magical coaches via TL will not be feasible. The only way will be form, which is like a lottery. you may spend 100k or 10M until finding the replacement.

Absolutely, and I love the concept of allowing them to become coaches at 40. I know teams like to just keep around some of their favorite players at super low salaries. I might do the same thing.